DPS/Healers pulling in dungeons

[BingleNingle]

There is a system for this called the TRUST/Duty Support.

If you want to waste time exploring or enjoying the scenery, i suggest using it!

Don't waste other people's time in dungeons when there are alternative methods.

I honestly don't have a problem with going faster. Some people do. I'm not gonna force them, nor am I gonna relegate them to bots only because some people get snippy about "their time." You aren't the only one playing and there is a default to how the game is played, so sometimes you're gonna be slowed down. Oh well!

[Minali]

"Don't play with other people in an MMO if you want to enjoy an MMO like an MMO because I want to be out of this duty asap so I don't have to play this MMO longer than necessary" is a pretty wild take. Because this is basically what "go in with duty support/trust" means. It is a game that attracts both people who usually rather play solo and people who like to play with others, where the story is the main selling point, that's what the franchise is famous for and what kept FF1 from being an actual final fantasy. And the dungeons are part of the story, not just their existence, but also the whole battle experience, getting to know new mechanics, wiping the floor with the face of a boss you hate, reading notes, or seeing NPCs at the sidelines "fighting with you", shooting doors open for you and what not. You might have been in this part of the story already 1000 times and just want to farm memories for your relic weapon or so, but that doesn't mean everyone else has to miss out on their own experience because they dare to try and enjoy the dungeon with real people, as you would expect to be able to in a Massive Multiplayer Online game.

I play all roles, including tanks. I am okay with both slow runs with sprouts and reading all the notes and with fast runs for farming - as long as both the healer and the tank communicate which speed they want. (When I am tank I always ask right in the beginning, and if there is no reply I go with two mob groups. Which is "wall to wall" in most dungeons past ARR anyway.) Unless you go in a duty with people you know, just assuming everyone is "of course" on your page because the way you play is "obviously the standard", no matter which it is, can cause so much frustration. That's why the chat is so important, to get these things out of the way before frustration occurs. Of course chatting doesn't help if one is personally not willing to cooperate and compromise or if whatever the tank is doing is still not fast enough.
This really makes me wonder why they are playing this duty if getting out of it as fast as possible is their greatest concern. Sure, you don't have to do sightseeing on your 2000. time in Aurum Vale or do every room in Haukke, but some people seem to get really angry if a duty dares to take longer than the absolute minimum. If engaging with other people, engaging with the bosses, playing their job, adjusting to whatever mechanics there are and being bound to a duty for an average of 15-20 minutes (with variations, not counting queue times,) is so painful and stressful for them... why are they playing these dungeon roulettes? Life is short, do something that is actually fun for you.

[technole]

And? In The Tower of Babil I like to show off how good I am at tanking dungeons by using Provoke for the final pull to get the mobs from the bottom platform to come up to us.

If you're gunbreaker, put the regen on the puller the mobs come right to you.

Work smarter, don't get mad.

[shadowclasper]

As a tank if someone does this after I ask them not too? I just let them die and wait until they've calmed the fuck down. I ain't on a schedule or a deadline. And in many of their own words 'they don't pay my sub'.

They want me to go faster?

ask

use words.

But don't make my life harder and us more likely to wipe.

I'm happy to do big pulls, hell, if the healer is on the absolute ball I might risk a wall to wall with a pug. But until I got a feel for the group I'm gonna take it easy unless specifically asked otherwise.

[Saraide]

As a tank if someone does this after I ask them not too? I just let them die and wait until they've calmed the fuck down. I ain't on a schedule or a deadline. And in many of their own words 'they don't pay my sub'.

They want me to go faster?

ask

use words.

But don't make my life harder and us more likely to wipe.

I'm happy to do big pulls, hell, if the healer is on the absolute ball I might risk a wall to wall with a pug. But until I got a feel for the group I'm gonna take it easy unless specifically asked otherwise.

Any pull that is risky is a guaranteed wipe if you let one of the dps die. You are contributing to wiping far more than any dps or healer pulling for you. This idea that dps dont matter for dungeons is fundamentally false.

[pikalovr]

oh no the tank is afk for 5 seconds while the party moves on if we follow your example and take 5 seconds to get a drink of water there's these handy dandy little skills called sprint, gap closers (if available), and auto run (and unless you take two hands to drink for those 5 seconds which i doubt. you still have a free hand to at least move your character without auto run). and has been mentioned before most DPS can sustain a pull or two with a decent healer hell i've kited mobs when the tanks died as ranged phys or smn

if they're not dying then it's no sweat off your back to take your break. if they die then blame you yes it's their fault, but if you sprint catch up and they're fine then there's literally nothing wrong with it what's so hard about that? if they want to be proactive while you take a drink of water and don't die from it, there's no reason they should stop everything cause you want a drink of water

also if you think standing still for a few secs= AFK/not ready without any prior typing in chat you're sorely mistaken the only semi decent conclusion you can deduce from that is it's a PS4/5 player typing something or that they are typing that they're going AFK if you're on M+KB you can literally lose one GCD and type BRB after this and alot more people would be willing to stop anyways

[Thorio]

If it is my first time in a dungeon I take it slower to memorize the pulls but if it's not I'll try to set or keep up the pace of the party.

[KariTheFox]

If it is my first time in a dungeon I take it slower to memorize the pulls but if it's not I'll try to set or keep up the pace of the party.

I used to do that - but now with trusts I just run the first time through any dungeon with them. Though that's mostly to enjoy the story content.

If your goal in going slow is to enjoy story stuff, I'd really recommend going with trusts, the incidental dialogue your party members have really add a lot.

[LordRaviel]

Not sure if anyone has mentioned this earlier in the thread, but consider this as a tank.

If 1 of the 3 other people in a dungeon runs ahead of you and pulls more mobs there are 2 other people in that run that may have done nothing wrong who are now having to deal with your bad attitude and refusal to do your job as a tank.

I say this as someone who in 8+ years has never forced a tank to pull more mobs than they wanted to in a dungeon but has died dozens of times and lost hours of time to wipes caused by the "You pull it, you tank it" attitude. The way it usually goes down is when mobs come back and the tank isnt doing their job anymore I inevitable get aggro on everything and die because I was doing my job of contributing as much DPS as I can properly. I have even seen tanks who see me die, assume that they "got their man" and go back to hitting the mobs leaving the "offending" DPS unpunished.

My attitude in group content in this game is simple. Try to do what you can to advance the goals of the party. If you arent comfortable with something that fine, if you make mistakes thats fine, but the moment you intentionally shirk your responsibilities and refuse to contribute to the goals of the party instead of at least trying to rise to the challenge presented you become the problem.