Biolysis and SCH

[Anhra]

Im glad that the new Job designs have so much AoE potential, hopefully this will sooner or later, stop People from clustering together and use actual steategies in Frontline by breaking into smaller Groups.


Frontline has been braindead for far too long, enjoy the Fireworks while they are here.

[Rowde]

I just got out of a FL match where a SCH had nearly 3million dmg to PCs on the board afterwards

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It's only broken when you have multiple, unlike WHM and WAR. A single SCH DoT only does 4.5k per tick.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

No other job's DoT does enough damage on a 15s CD (while also having the ability to buff and heal their own team without interrupting that DoT) to kill an entire alliance. You cannot just walk away from the damage, it goes through guard, it can't be purified, and the range it can be applied from keeps the SCH at a safe distance while the AoE from Deploy Tactics makes it so it hits just about everyone. Unless the SCH is basically griefing, they're going to get rank 5 as well.

While I get that it's frontline, this is particularly egregious. Again, imagine MCH LB on every alliance member every tick from a DoT that lasts for 15s.

Then I will have to respectfully disagree with you. DoT total damage does adds up over time but spread evenly across its duration. It is not a burst damage. It cannot outright kill you as fast as other job's bursty arsenals. You are less likely to die from the DoT ticks. It's the other compounding damage from other sources that kills players, on top of their unawareness to let the DoT whittle their health low enough to be killed very easily by other opponents. Unless there's an actual killing blow, all those ticks are for nothing besides forcing people to disengage to recuperate or use Elixirs to avoid their own deaths while their other teammate takes over the rank.

People should also learn that with all these increased AoE potentials across multiple jobs in the roster, they should be spreading out instead of staying clustered and effectively just handing out silver platters for those SCH to spread their Bio conveniently, or having that WHM/WAR stunning the whole alliance with their dangerous actions.

I just got out of a FL match where a SCH had nearly 3million dmg to PCs on the board afterwards

Seems pretty common.

I myself scored that much (my best was 4m \o/) quite often but it doesn't mean anything if my teammate does not make use of the lowered enemy HP to score any kills. DoT helps, but it won't outright kill you, which is what matters because kills gives your enemies battle high, empowering them further.

This feels too much like a troll topic to be genuine. Like, how does a SCH get kills without luck anyways? Nothing really deals that kind of damage in its pvp kit.

PS Im maining SCH in pvp so I think I should be noticing something about this 'issue'

Honestly it looks more like players' issue for not understanding how to avoid getting taken advantage by their opponents' AoE.

[Packetdancer]

As someone who was in a pack of scholars doing precisely this in Frontlines this evening, I will make a few points.

1. Biolysis has a terrible range, comparatively; 25y is a lot in a PvE boss arena, but it isn’t super great on a field the size of a Frontlines match. I repeatedly had to leave the “mob” of my team to get a really choice Biolysis target and Deploy it across a dense cluster. If the other team is on the ball, there’s a brief but very real window where I can be yanked over by a WAR or stunned by a WHM and quickly vaporized. Moreover, if folks don’t cluster up in lovely tight little clumps, I am denied a target-rich environment in the first place.

2. If I am vaporized, my battle high—and thus the potency of said DoT—is diminished.

3. Early in the match, the DoT is pretty small… and my options on SCH for much other damage are pretty limited. If I DoT a bunch of opponents and they chase me back to my team and get nuked, I get a ton of assists and battle high. If they back off for a moment, the DoT falls off, I get credit for nothing, and then I’m the one left running.

Keeping the SCH Biolysis ticks to a sane damage range is fairly easy, compared to countering various moves other jobs have in PvP; the only way it works to become incredibly OP is if you have scholars moving in a pack (to stack the damage) and people *let them get the credit* early on, thus amassing battle high.

The SCH pack I was running with had a number of matches where we were able to lure people with DoTs back to our team, where they were outnumbered and killed and we farmed the assists. We definitely became a Problem for the other team in those matches when this had gone on long enough that our Biolysis stacks were functionally a hydrogen bomb when deployed together.

We also had a number of matches where the other team did not fall for our trickery, backed off to deny us the assists and keep us from amassing battle high, and then yoinked us around and vaporized us once the DoT had fallen off. We did not fare well when they were wise to our game.

SCH can absolutely become a huge problem in Frontlines, especially in packs. But the other team kind of has to let them power up enough first.

[CaptainLagbeard]

Biolysis is quite strong in Frontlines, however it doesn't particularly kill all that often, at least until they start racking up Battle Highs. It can put the other team you're fighting into a quite disadvantageous position as they take the DoT damage and the few seconds of increased damage.
If they're not engaged in a fight, they can generally fall back and outheal it with the elixir.

But aside from that, SCH provides very little in a frontline. Adloquium can only be spread if cast on yourself or a party member, and it doesn't even spread Alliance wide. Expedient also doesn't affect other Alliances, so unless you're somehow managing to keep your alliance as a coherent team working together, you're main contribution ends up being to Biolysis a chunk of the enemy and turn into the Broil Mage.

[SpiralMask]

dont give the devs more reasons to kneecap healers more, they finally got nice things via their pvp kits after 3.5 of soulcrushing garbage please stop

[Deceptus]

It's only broken when you have multiple, unlike WHM and WAR. A single SCH DoT only does 4.5k per tick.

Seriously this. It's not like it refreshes itself and then stacks on itself.

And the odds of getting multiple SCH's is pretty damn low.

[Packetdancer]

And the odds of getting multiple SCH's is pretty damn low.

Eh... less low in Frontlines, where people can talk in chat and where you can queue a light party in together. We had four SCH queuing in together as a party, and convinced others to join our "Book Club" at least once.

(I do agree with your other point, though.)

[Momo_Kozuki]

Eh... less low in Frontlines, where people can talk in chat and where you can queue a light party in together. We had four SCH queuing in together as a party, and convinced others to join our "Book Club" at least once.

(I do agree with your other point, though.)

You can also change class in Frontline.


My last Frontline looked normal at first, then suddenly 16 of them turned into White Mages.