Healers need an overhaul

[Selvokaz]

Wait, you just said they had more to learn, so the game needs to put the healers full kit in the first 10 levels or your friend and people like them will get bored? I hate to say it but who's fault is that? The Black mage starts out equally as slow, fire or ice, fire or ice.
Also, did this friend have invincibility? Cause I still remember being a low-level conjurer and when I wasn't casting stone or protect back then I was healing myself because I was getting pummeled and had I not been cast healing spells I'd be dead. This brings me back to what I was saying earlier, people do take damage few abilities in most healing jobs kits can bring a target from 10% to 100% with one use, if the entire team is getting that low often you as the healer are in for a rough time, unless again somethings changed and GCD heals always crit and if you are in content where you find yourself not needing to heal anyone, shield anyone, then enjoy the stroll in the park, cause there is definitely more often than not going to be times where you are going to be doing your role as healer more than dps. I would say only sign up for harder content then, but everyone is so amazing at that content I just assume its all what other healers do anyway.

[elliexer]

Yeah, but at least they're actually doing something when they're NOT healing the group.
Downtime is dps. If you don't wanna do something about downtime in a dungeon, then don't do it.

or idk.. buffs/debuffs during downtime.. just a thought of what support should be instead of the lazy way of making them dps

[Lilapop]

really, you keep , as the saying goes, putting words into people's mouths - no one "wants to do big numbers without having to heal" you are stating this. It seems that you are threatened by healers being able to do decent DPS and heal - that is a "you" problem.

I was wondering how long it would take you to repeat this old trite fallacy. "If you want to play a DPS why don't you play one?". For shame, you were doing so well up to now. It was almost entertaining. Finally showing your true colours.

If you don't understand what I mean, I can explain it to you.

let's break it down so you can understand, then.

how many people want to play... a primarily dps class that can toss in heals when needed without bloat?

how many classes do we have that... are primarily dps classes that can toss in heals when needed without having bloat?

and after that,

how many people refuse to play the classes that contain... utility heals with solid dps rotations?

you see it yet, or do I need to simplify it a little more?

[Payotz]

or idk.. buffs/debuffs during downtime.. just a thought of what support should be instead of the lazy way of making them dps

Buffs and debuffs are things you press once every minute or two minutes.
Tanks don't spam reprisal. Scholar doesn't spam Chain Strategem.
Bard doesn't spam Battle Voice.

Sure healers can get extra buffs or debuff buttons, but we all know it's going to be a "press once every minute, two minutes, 3 minute" buttons, like every damn debuff and buff in the game.

Filler text cause the forums don't want me to post naked Quotes

[anhaato]

the fact you are such a supporter of turning healers into dps, really shows how capable you are as a healer. its a healer for a reason, and should be treated as such, not a dps.. thought the name would make it obvious for you people

This is some mighty strong copium.

Edit: LMAO deleted.

[Selvokaz]

I'll say this, I've seen people recently die on Ultima Weapon during MSQ, the last time it happened, it was the healer and the other DPS. Me and the tank then carried for the clear, this was during one of my recent roulettes. If the content isn't hard enough for you where you feel you have to pay more attention and do what you can with 100% of you kit that's available at the content level your playing, play harder content. Because the skill level between you and those who aren't you is probably bigger than you think, again people including healers can and have died during ARR MSQ.

[Silver-Strider]

Easy for who? People with years of experiences?

If someone can barely do 5 push-up and they are asked to do 20 they will have a bad time. It doesn't matter if it was 50 before and now it's easier it's still way too much.

Stop expecting people who might have started the game way more recently than you to be as good. Especially when you can't handle them making mistake because 'it was harder back in the day'.

If you guys want a rewarding Job you can apply for a real one.

FFXIV was my 1st MMO and it didn't take a rocket scientist to figure out how to do my job.
I made a few mistakes obviously but I was able to learning very quickly where my faults were and improved so by the end of ARR, I had cleared Coils.

Not every new player is an idiot and those that are idiots should NOT be playing healers in the 1st place.

[Payotz]

I'll say this, I've seen people recently die on Ultima Weapon during MSQ, the last time it happened, it was the healer and the other DPS. Me and the tank then carried for the clear, this was during one of my recent roulettes. If the content isn't hard enough for you where you feel you have to pay more attention and do what you can with 100% of you kit that's available at the content level your playing, play harder content. Because the skill level between you and those who aren't you is probably bigger than you think, again people including healers can and have died during ARR MSQ.

And that's not really a valid reason to NOT HAVE extra dps buttons that are optional to press though.
If the healers are having hard time keeping up in MSQ of all places, then... don't press the extra dps buttons, and heal?

Extra dps buttons are never going to sabotage your ability to heal, only give you the ability to make use of the downtime after the heal.

If there's no downtime, then heal. Top everyone up if you need to.
But if there's no damage going out because we all know half the AoEs in this game are oneshots and can't be healed anyway, then rez and dps, or stand still, whatever floats your boat.

Give the healers who want to make use of that downtime, more tools to do so. Give them optional dps buttons.

[anhaato]

Not every new player is an idiot and those that are idiots should NOT be playing healers in the 1st place.

This should be pinned to the op and printed out and taped on YoshiP’s office door.

The game should not be balanced around the least skilled.

[Nizzi]

"They should just add back some of the DPS buttons we used to have because all of the work is still in the game and it requires nothing from the developers other than some number tuning and giving them back. This would reduce the boredom of 1-1-1-1 spam and it isn't too much work for the developers, and it would allow for healers to pick the healer with the playstyle they like instead of having everything be the same."

"NO YOU JUST WANT TO BE A DPS, WHY DON'T YOU JUST PLAY A DPS, YOU'RE MEANT TO HEAL YOU CAN'T HAVE THIS BACK BECAUSE REASONS ACTUALLY GLARESPAM IS FUN"