Healers need an overhaul

[IDontPetLalas]

I don't agree that FFXIV healers are boring. Everyone talks about 'perfect' play with perfect tanks and dps and there's nothing to do. I don't see this perfect gameplay hardly ever.

One thing we know from devs, is that Healers will never out damage the other roles. So, if they gave us 1-2-3 dps button combo plus 1 or 2 ogcd dmg buttons (doesn't really matter if any of this is tied to a gauge or not)... our damage would still be the same and now the job is just 'busier' to accomplish the same thing. And that's even if they gave us somethin resembling a rotation. What I could see them more likely doing is getting rid of all healer dots and giving two lower potency nukes that equal the same thing. There's your 'engagement' you get to press 3 buttons instead of 2.

Honestly, why is 211111111 less engaging than 123123123012123123120? You're just pressing buttons and not even looking at your hotbar either way.

Then, because we have a "dps rotation" somebody takes avoidable dmg and we have to interrupt our dps to heal thus ruining our dps even further. This is akin to the complaints GNB have regarding trying to move the boss during their burst window. Even when AST had decent cards, nobody wanted to play the "busy healer" WHM still had better representation back then not because it was better, but because it was easier. Even today, it is the most played healer next SGE despite most healers agreeing it has the most issues.

First of all, I don't see why with the plethora of OGCD heals, with all of the regens, and shields that we have on hand- it should hardly make a healer pause if someone takes occasional avoidable damage.

Secondly, I haven't seen stress on perfect play, on the contrary the discussion has been on all levels of play. if it was on perfect levels of play I'd be one of the first people to worry, i'd probably the first one to get kicked out of a perfect group!

Finally, we don't necessarily need a combo. That doesn't mean that there aren't other options , whether it is dots, or procs, or additional OGCD damage buttons, or buffs, or DPS or longer CDs... so why close our minds and say that nothing can be done for only the healer jobs? Interestingly enough they were very creative when it came for PVP and the healers, i don't see why it can't so in PVE as well.

[QooEr]

And whether you enjoy a game or not is the only real criteria for judging the game.

this is everyones point. you enjoy those 3 healers, but a lot of other people dont. theres 4 different jobs that should each cater to different gameplay preferences. youre so close to getting it

[Silverbane]

D6dmaager, while I agree with most of your post, one thing isn't always true:

One thing we know from devs, is that Healers will never out damage the other roles.

When a tank does a big trash pull and I'm on SGE or SCH, after pacing the mobs down the corridors while spamming my AoE attack, I usually target the tank and then wade into the thick of it, often standing back-to-back with the tank while AoEing the mobs and keeping the tank around 50% with my oGCD heals. In this particular situation, I am (according to my friend who parses) almost always the top damage-dealer, usually by a wide margin, because SCH and SGE AoE attacks don't drop off in potency after the first target.

It's marvelous fun, especially with a crowd of mobs that have AoE attacks themselves, dancing in and out to avoid standing in stupid, making sure everyone stays alive, and all the while being top DPS on the parse. If you've never tried it, you should

And don't be disheartened if you wipe occasionally until you get the hang of it. You've got a lot of balls to juggle when you're doing this.

P.S.: I've seen WHM do this too, with Holy, but I haven't played my WHM since I discovered SGE. And I will admit my complete lack of AST-related knowledge.

[D6Damager]

Interestingly enough they were very creative when it came for PVP and the healers, i don't see why it can't so in PVE as well.

I agree that they were creative and it would be cool if they brought some of those abilities over to PVE. But IMO, PvP healers are not really healers anymore with the exception of WHM.

[BaconBits]

First of all, I don't see why with the plethora of OGCD heals, with all of the regens, and shields that we have on hand- it should hardly make a healer pause if someone takes occasional avoidable damage.

Secondly, I haven't seen stress on perfect play, on the contrary the discussion has been on all levels of play. if it was on perfect levels of play I'd be one of the first people to worry, i'd probably the first one to get kicked out of a perfect group!

Finally, we don't necessarily need a combo. That doesn't mean that there aren't other options , whether it is dots, or procs, or additional OGCD damage buttons, or buffs, or DPS or longer CDs... so why close our minds and say that nothing can be done for only the healer jobs? Interestingly enough they were very creative when it came for PVP and the healers, i don't see why it can't so in PVE as well.

We're not allowed to have even mildly engaging DPS rotations because Big Daddy Yoshi-PP said so, in your face you stinky elitist!

I swear to every deity under the sun if someone tried to baby me as hard as Yoshida tries to baby current healers (who aren't even pressing their dang buttons to begin with, let's be real) I would punch them in the throat.

This never ending chase for accessibility needs to die an ugly death, and I'll be there laughing when it does.

[Martynek]

I am (according to my friend who parses) almost always the top damage-dealer, usually by a wide margin, because SCH and SGE AoE attacks don't drop off in potency after the first target.

W-what?
You do realise that no jobs have damage falloff on their filler aoes, right?
And if we're including non-filler... you mentioned SGE, who DOES have falloff on their other aoes...?

...What?

[QooEr]

W-what?
You do realise that no jobs have damage falloff on their filler aoes, right?
And if we're including non-filler... you mentioned SGE, who DOES have falloff on their other aoes...?

...What?

i mean its easy to be top dps as healer, but thats more on the other dps eating glue in roulettes.

[Deceptus]

W-what?
You do realise that no jobs have damage falloff on their filler aoes, right?
And if we're including non-filler... you mentioned SGE, who DOES have falloff on their other aoes...?

...What?

You're mistaken.

Their basic aoe, Dyskrasia does not have a falloff.

Dyskrasia II
Deals unaspected damage with a potency of 170 to all nearby enemies.

Phlegma and Toxikon do. Phlegma still being more in all circumstances than Dyskrasia. Toxikon is currently iffy as any pull more than 2 targets is WORSE than Dyskrasia spam. Not by much but a bit.

Phlegma
510 to first target 255 to every other target

Toxikon:
330 first target, 165 every other target

[Martynek]

You're mistaken.

Their basic aoe, Dyskrasia does not have a falloff.

Yeah, that's what I said - Their other, i.e. non-filler aoes. Dyskrasia, being always available, is their filler.

Toxikon is currently iffy as any pull more than 2 targets is WORSE than Dyskrasia spam. Not by much but a bit.

It's level-dependent. At level 82 and above, Toxikon is a gain on any number of targets that you could actually fit into the area. I think it's around 34 targets that it becomes a loss.

i mean its easy to be top dps as healer, but thats more on the other dps eating glue in roulettes.

I don't disagree.

[Fukuro]

Maybe it‘s not a bad idea to keep one healer job as is - meaning non-engaging, unga bunga-level of complexity for the people that find enjoyment in breaking their fingers pressing 1 button for 90% of the time.