Healers need an overhaul

[ty_taurus]

Because people want to be lazy and unengaged with the content. Even my friend follows the same idea -- the least they have to do, the better, which is why we see so many people say "if you want to dps, go dps" and healers who follow Yoshi-P's words of "healers should just heal".

For anyone out there that wants to keep 1 button spamming, adding a more engaging DPS rotation for the rest of us doesn't take away your ability to ignore those other actions, leave them off your hotbar, and continue spamming Broil. Shocking news: you have control over your own gameplay, and if you want to play lazy, that's your choice. Just look at Bootshine/Dragon Kick spam monk...

[Rehayem]

For anyone out there that wants to keep 1 button spamming, adding a more engaging DPS rotation for the rest of us doesn't take away your ability to ignore those other actions, leave them off your hotbar, and continue spamming Broil. Shocking news: you have control over your own gameplay, and if you want to play lazy, that's your choice. Just look at Bootshine/Dragon Kick spam monk...

Because there's a hidden issue people forget about, and that is console players. MMORPGs are never made to be played on a console, unless they can actually pull it off correctly (like TERA did, and worked well). Since people have to shuffle between buttons so much, the reality of the matter is the homogenization of all jobs, not just healers. As we move further into more expansions, more skills will be added, and many more sacrificed, leading to simple 1 button mash in the long run.

[Silver-Strider]

Because there's a hidden issue people forget about, and that is console players. MMORPGs are never made to be played on a console, unless they can actually pull it off correctly (like TERA did, and worked well). Since people have to shuffle between buttons so much, the reality of the matter is the homogenization of all jobs, not just healers. As we move further into more expansions, more skills will be added, and many more sacrificed, leading to simple 1 button mash in the long run.

Considering that ARR had FAR more buttons on healers back then, I fail to see how this is an issue now

[Nethereal]

Like if you could manage all healing checks by spamming Succor, that would be pretty boring too.

You can, you just don't because it's not efficient. Because of all the oGCD heals you have. Remove them and that's what you would be doing. We have way too many oGCD skills that do the exact same thing.

[Nethereal]

I’m not a healer main, I’d say secondary main? I’ve never begun a tier on scholar, but I usually gear it second. Anyway, I’ve been playing scholar in ex3 and it’s been a total blast. I’m not super hardcore, but always clear a tier before echo; currently curtain call prog, and my statics healers are like the opppsite of the forum healers - they love it and don’t complain about the minutae at all

Loving something doesn't mean its faults go away it just means you're willing to ignore them so you can still enjoy them.

[Jirah]

I’m not in favor of adding DPS tools to healer but I’m in favor of turning the damage up by 200% to actually make the healing relevant.

If healers got say, a soft caster rotation. This would still have healers but underwhelming and basically kill off healer roles for glorified support

[EmpyreanHelios]

It’s crazy to me that some of yall here have been advocating for changes for 5-6 years. I’m already tired and I only started during mid-ShB.

Let’s be generous and say they rework healers in 8.0. That’s like 4 years later. People would have been here waiting for almost a decade of their lives for these changes. Ridiculous.

If healers don’t receive significant improvements by 7.0, I think it’s time to pack my bags.

[WaxSw]

I’m not in favor of adding DPS tools to healer but I’m in favor of turning the damage up by 200% to actually make the healing relevant.

If healers got say, a soft caster rotation. This would still have healers but underwhelming and basically kill off healer roles for glorified support

Repeating what I said in other thread:

"The problem with high damage is:
-The game is heavily scripted, which means there will always be damage predictable and as such healers will be able to optimize its heals and get downtime
-The healing kit is not deep either, most of it is "heal with X potency" with barely any interactions
-The game would have to be redesigned entirely to allow that high damage
-Would make healing harder to get into as this would have to be carried all the way from high end to story mode, increasing the skill floor"

adding to that

-The devs have already said several times they're not increaing the damage as they want the normal modes to be accesible
-If the dpsing is still boring then the reward of better healing (which is dpsing) is boring punishing better players
-There is no sweetspot for damage. For example I do ultimates on healer what for me is a "good healing check" for a newbie is a hellish experience and what for a newbie is a "good challenge" for me it may be a snoozefest with near 100% dps uptime, this causes a lot of problems as the devs would have to decide which players are their main target at the cost of neglecting the rest

None of those problems are present in the "increase the dps options" and that's why a lot of us advocate for that as the best possible fix

[ty_taurus]

Because there's a hidden issue people forget about, and that is console players. MMORPGs are never made to be played on a console, unless they can actually pull it off correctly (like TERA did, and worked well). Since people have to shuffle between buttons so much, the reality of the matter is the homogenization of all jobs, not just healers. As we move further into more expansions, more skills will be added, and many more sacrificed, leading to simple 1 button mash in the long run.

I have no idea why you responded with this to my last comment since it has nothing to do with what I was talking about, but go off I guess. But as someone who started out playing on the PS3 of all things, I managed perfectly fine as SCH on controller during ARR and HW, AST too during HW. Using the controller as an argument against bloat is just a scapegoat argument. Keeping bloat to a minimum is a good thing regardless. Jobs don't need 32 or more actions to be engaging. If you thread interactivity between a smaller selection of tools, you can in turn make something more impactful and built on choice.

WHM has more hotbar space than it knows what to do with, yet its GCD healing is very bloated. Cure, Cure II, Cure III, Medica, Regen, Medica II, Esuna, Afflatus Solace, Afflatus Rapture... This is way too many buttons where most of which offer nothing that adds to WHM's gameplay.

That said, just cutting things that do add value like Kaiten is silly. It's not about hacking off anything you can, but about pruning the tree to grow in a healthy manner.

[Nizzi]

I’m not in favor of adding DPS tools to healer but I’m in favor of turning the damage up by 200% to actually make the healing relevant.

If healers got say, a soft caster rotation. This would still have healers but underwhelming and basically kill off healer roles for glorified support

Okay, we've turned up the damage to 200%. But only in new content, because expecting them to retune every fight in the game previous to the new expac is a bit ridiculous, right? So from 7.0, "healing is relevant."

Except, this does nothing for almost all of the content you play. Everything from level 1-90 still has the weak healing requirements and you're spamming 1-1-1-1 for a majority of that content. So just like Yoshida said with "just do Ultimate lol" we can start saying "just play new content" for people who talk about how boring this entire role is because of 1 button spam, and now we'll have even more tank and DPS players complaining about our role and demanding that SE "fix it" because they're wiping in content more now and they don't like that. So we're not addressing the monotony and boredom of playing through hundreds, if not thousands of hours of content if you pick a healer, and instead just saying "well, catch up to current content if you want to have fun I guess, /shrug"

Or, we can give a few more DPS options (which healers had more of in the past like SCH's DoTs and Shadow Flare) and make the role more accessible for all levels, because baby healers don't need to stress about harder healing requirements, 1 button glaremages won't need to press the new buttons because casual content doesn't particularly need healer DPS to clear, and healers who want to try and improve aren't punished by more Glare/Broil spam and instead are now enabled to have something fun in casual and "hardcore" content. It's fun for everyone!