Healers need an overhaul

[FatalFatalis]

If they really are this focused on making the game DPS-centric, then they should make the dps rotation for healers more complex, anything is better than spamming 1.
Since we are seeing that the content can be optimized so you only need the ogcd heals, how about you remove the gcd heals and replace them with damage skills and spells? Something like how tank mitigation works, almost all of it is ogcd and you have an actual rotation, it's simpler than the DPS ones but it's something.
Why are the healers and only the healers treated like this?

[Banriikku]

I am not asking for random damage/RNG damage. All I said was that I’d prefer a more even balance of healing uptime and DPS uptime—something closer to 50/50. I’d even take 40/60 healing versus damage. Anything but 10/90 like it is now.

Personally, I don’t care about WoW encounters and how they are built. I played WoW for a day in 2007 and that was it. Was never my cup of tea, and I don’t think FFXIV needs to be just like it. I don’t know anything about its encounter designs, and I’m not talking about its encounter designs here.
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I used your quote as context not to attack you. If my text gave you this feeling: Sorry, not my intention. So to clarify: I am on your side of the argument, mostly. My opinion differs on the point how we could achieve the healer changes.

I think rng damage will not change bad healer design. We are beyond this point. Healers need to be "green dps" or get a full rework. These are the options and the "rework" will not happen because we are not important enough for this investment, so i ask for the realistic solution: a dps rotation for healer.

The healers asked for: healer checks, crits on tanks, more use of the toolkit (esuna for example) but the answer was always -NO. The healer lost almost their identity completly and are now "OGCD" overheal monster without purpose besides DPS and Tanks need us to clear certain fights. We have a lot of Extreme and Savage fights that can be cleared with one healer or even without any healer.

Last but not least encounter design is important if we are talking about changing figths for healer. Look at the fights and how they are build and you will see not only got auto crits cut from fights, other parts changed too. And we need to take this in consideration before we ask for something we will regret later on.

SE need to look at the healers and must make a decision "how" they wanna build the healers. At the moment SE has no plan are idea for healers. For example WHM, the Lily change was necessary but every 20 second a Lily for what? WHM has no design besides "take Lilys" but for what, what is the purpose, the reason. Last week i played Savage, A1S, and i had a headache, my co healer did the healing alone without any problems. My group is not "top", not even close but more like "casual raider" and we did it without even flinching.

[Rehayem]

If they really are this focused on making the game DPS-centric, then they should make the dps rotation for healers more complex, anything is better than spamming 1.
Since we are seeing that the content can be optimized so you only need the ogcd heals, how about you remove the gcd heals and replace them with damage skills and spells? Something like how tank mitigation works, almost all of it is ogcd and you have an actual rotation, it's simpler than the DPS ones but it's something.
Why are the healers and only the healers treated like this?

Because Yoshi-P nor the entire FF14 team ever played healer for longer than a day, which is why they're doing this. They thought it was too complex, now they're making it brain dead. Just remove the healer role entirely, or make them dps. Why need healers if tanks can heal themselves?

[rewd]

Others answered to your comment very well but I'd like to add something.
With my group, after the weeklies on Tuesday, we would go in Expert roulette with 1 tank and 3 DPS.

I was there as a DRK, before 6.1, we could clear every pack before I had a chance to die. Including the first 90 dungeon were gear is synchronized.

Healing as a healer is fun.
DPSing as a healer is not fun.

And even this is debatable. Mindless healing is still mindless healing.

[Katori96]

And even this is debatable. Mindless healing is still mindless healing.

This is fair altho I'll admit to getting a huge dopamine rush when I get to use my toolkit as a healer.

[Picker]

I’m not a healer main, I’d say secondary main? I’ve never begun a tier on scholar, but I usually gear it second. Anyway, I’ve been playing scholar in ex3 and it’s been a total blast. I’m not super hardcore, but always clear a tier before echo; currently curtain call prog, and my statics healers are like the opppsite of the forum healers - they love it and don’t complain about the minutae at all

[Semirhage]

I’m not a healer main, I’d say secondary main? I’ve never begun a tier on scholar, but I usually gear it second. Anyway, I’ve been playing scholar in ex3 and it’s been a total blast. I’m not super hardcore, but always clear a tier before echo; currently curtain call prog, and my statics healers are like the opppsite of the forum healers - they love it and don’t complain about the minutae at all

You enjoy spending 80% of your time spamming Broil? How?

[ForteNightshade]

Correction: Forum healers are mad. But yeah I'm not saying they are not but can't we just have a megathread for that and not spamming the 1st page with the same old, dead-horse topics over and over again?

I can provide links to multiple hundred post Reddit thread; Twitter replies all garnering hundreds of retweets, or the LL Twitch stream itself where players have complained directly at Yoshida regarding healers being boring if "forum healer" complaints aren't enough. Perhaps these threads are now flooding the General section because the devs aren't listening. We had a 300+ megathread for White Mage back in Stormblood. They ignored it. Dark Knights waited 6+ years and the introduction of a healer that literally couldn't heal Living Dead in dungeons without blowing its entire kit before they finally did something.

Funny enough, I don't see people complaining about the myriad of Samurai threads. I guess that's okay because they're a DPS. You know, the most neglected role in the game...

[HyoMinPark]

I’m not a healer main, I’d say secondary main? I’ve never begun a tier on scholar, but I usually gear it second. Anyway, I’ve been playing scholar in ex3 and it’s been a total blast. I’m not super hardcore, but always clear a tier before echo; currently curtain call prog, and my statics healers are like the opppsite of the forum healers - they love it and don’t complain about the minutae at all

While there are healers that seem content with the poor state of the role now, that doesn’t mean this is a forum healer phenomenon. Please stop pretending that this is an issue only talked about here. You can find conversations on other platforms debating the state of healers just like you can find them debating the state of tanks and DPS. Flippant responses like this just add to the problem, in my opinion. Downplaying the issues with the role is just as bad as ignoring it.

I’ve seen players from veteran healers to people just picking up healers complain that the role is boring and the same for 90 levels; that it feels as if it doesn’t have any depth to it, which it really doesn’t. I feel like it becomes more obvious the longer you play the role, though. Players that have never healed in FFXIV likely won’t pick up on just how little healing is actually done until they become more comfortable with the job and the toolkit.

I’ve played healers for over six years. This was the second Savage tier I’ve cleared as a healer since I’m normally a physical ranged (the first being Eden’s Verse), and I didn’t really feel all that challenged outside of early prog for late in P3S and in P4S. But once my co-healer and I figured out our healing formula for things like tornadoes and Curtain Call, it was no longer difficult. It was routine. And we both spam our damage button more than we do any sort of healing. I wouldn’t say I have a blast on it—I would call my play on healers “mindless”.

I’m hoping DSR will actually give me some excitement. Healing UCoB was alright, I guess. I played it super safe, but still spent more casts on damage than I did healing overall. Just sucks that I have to find my engagement in the 1 or 2 fights raiders are lucky to get every expansion, or in clown fiesta 24-mans. Versus when I play a DPS I can at least feel engaged even in casual content because I have a rotation to focus on. Healers don’t have that. We don’t even have all that much healing to focus on…

[Rehayem]

You enjoy spending 80% of your time spamming Broil? How?

Because people want to be lazy and unengaged with the content. Even my friend follows the same idea -- the least they have to do, the better, which is why we see so many people say "if you want to dps, go dps" and healers who follow Yoshi-P's words of "healers should just heal".