Healers need an overhaul

[anguel]

im not a healer by any means (and ill be honest havent read the hundreds page befor)
but i find it very VERY interesting that NA/EU community argue about healer not having enough dps
while japanese community literally does that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jh9r53b6q_c

solo heal a ultimate !!! by just healing and NOT dpsing

again i am not a healer, but maybe just maybe most people got the job wrong ?
befor saying "hes a special case hes very strong or master hes job, or again this boss only allow this strat"
keep in mind i play on a JP server (shinryu) and i have seens many MANY time in savage or EX JP crew solo healing them, and suceeding
i dont mean to step on ppls pride or be rude by any means

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

im not a healer by any means (and ill be honest havent read the hundreds page befor)
but i find it very VERY interesting that NA/EU community argue about healer not having enough dps
while japanese community literally does that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jh9r53b6q_c

solo heal a ultimate !!! by just healing and NOT dpsing

again i am not a healer, but maybe just maybe most people got the job wrong ?
befor saying "hes a special case hes very strong or master hes job, or again this boss only allow this strat"
keep in mind i play on a JP server (shinryu) and i have seens many MANY time in savage or EX JP crew solo healing them, and suceeding
i dont mean to step on ppls pride or be rude by any means

I'll link you to a quote about that run from another thread:

Just passing through to drop these



https://www.fflogs.com/reports/QbPfv...pe=damage-done

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV15Y411T74m

"not dpsing" is too much of a stretch considering majority of their spellcasts are still Fall Malefic imho. And no dw, you're not being rude.

[Hezhi]

im not a healer by any means (and ill be honest havent read the hundreds page befor)
but i find it very VERY interesting that NA/EU community argue about healer not having enough dps
while japanese community literally does that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jh9r53b6q_c

solo heal a ultimate !!! by just healing and not dpsing

again i am not a healer, but maybe just maybe most people got the job wrong ?
i dont mean to step on ppls pride or be rude by any means

You're not being rude man, it's an interesting point!

The issue here is, most content is designed around having 2 healers. In the video you linked, some mechanics are supposed to go exclusively on healers, and if there aren't 2 healers in the group, the mechanic will go on someone random, making the fight harder than it should be. For an example im more familiar with, in the damage in P4S can relatively easily be solo healed, but during the fight you'll get a mechanic called Pinax where there is 2 untelegraphed stack AOEs that go on both healers and requires the party to split into two 4man groups to soak. If there is only 1 healer in the raid, then one of the untelegraphed AOEs will go on some random other person. If that random person is stacking with the only healer in the group on who the AOE is guaranteed, it'll just kill them both and everyone stacking with them. It's basically 40% chances to randomly wipe due to that one mechanic, because there's only 1 green guy in your group.
The content simply is designed with 2 healers in mind, and as long as it is like this I believe people don't get the role wrong in the way you're describing, and videos such as the one you linked are outliers, as it only added more RNG to an already insanely difficult fight. Your average raider won't wanna put up with this lol.

Also, in the video you can observe that even solo healing a fight as difficult as busy as this, this healer... Also DPSs a lot. You can observe them casting a lot of Grav/Malefic during downtime when his team isn't receiving any damage...

[anguel]

I'll link you to a quote about that run from another thread:



"not dpsing" is too much of a stretch considering majority of their spellcasts are still Fall Malefic.

what i meant by not dpsing, is not trying to actively dps, (as opposed to most NA/EU player i ve seen during the years) ofc if there is a window to toss arround a spell or 2 hes going to do it !
but its clearly not where hes focus is, and that what i was pointing at sorry if i wasnt clear enough hehe, english is not my native language ^^

[KDSilver]

again i am not a healer, but maybe just maybe most people got the job wrong ?
befor saying "hes a special case hes very strong or master hes job, or again this boss only allow this strat"
keep in mind i play on a JP server (shinryu) and i have seens many MANY time in savage or EX JP crew solo healing them, and suceeding
i dont mean to step on ppls pride or be rude by any means

I understand that you're trying to share your thoughts and finding another way to view things, finding an answer.

To that I'll ask you.
Why should the healer role be played with downtime while others don't?
Every little piece of the game allow us to do what we currently do.

Besides... Healers used to be in a better state before. ARR => StB showed us what is was like.
It's not 100% purely a question of DPS. It's about having differents things to do when the healing is not needeed.
Solo heal challenge sure are interesting to watch and do. But the majority of the game plays with either 1 healer for 4 players or 2 players for 8.

Through years, they removed a lot to think about to the healer role, to the point we are now.
We knew a time when we didn't have that problem with the role. We felt engaged in the battle as much as every one else.

I understand you don't want to be rude... but, do you really think I and all the other people across the whole internet complanining about healers are just "playing it wrong" ?
We have proof, experience, data, knowledge.

The sad truth is dev focused on making the role accessible for new players and completely forgot us.
Not that we're "playing it wrong".
If that was the case... we would be playing it wrong since the very beginning. And that would be a game design mistake. Not player "playing it wrong".

I'd appreciate if people wouldn't see "us" as just "blind" "whiners" "elitists", but tried to actually read and understand what we are explaining.
Our fun have been robbed. We got nothing in return. That's why we are so vocal.

I don't think it's normal to say "thank you for healing these past 6 years, we want more player to try the role so we changed everything and if it doesn't please you please play something else".
There's a world where you can please both new and veteran players. We had tons of idea.

Now, I won't pretend "this is the majority" because a thread has 300 upvote.
But this is the official forum. If I'm concerned by something I share my thoughts. Anyone else who think the same joins me.

That's how we create a feedback. Feedback that is sadly ignored. So that's why we keep talking.


Signed : a sad "old" healer who used to love healers a lot and saw the role drowning, who tried hard to love the current design as Yoshi P told me I should do but failed to understand his denial of the situation".

PEACE.

[Nethereal]

what i meant by not dpsing, is not trying to actively dps, (as opposed to most NA/EU player i ve seen during the years) ofc if there is a window to toss arround a spell or 2 hes going to do it !
but its clearly not where hes focus is, and that what i was pointing at sorry if i wasnt clear enough hehe, english is not my native language ^^

I'm not sure what you're trying to get across.

His focus is optimization, dps is a part of optimization. His most used spell is a dps spell.

If you're trying to say he's more focused on healing then yes he definitely is as he's the only healer he's forced to GCD heal to supplement not having another healer's free oGCDs.

[Rilifane]

im not a healer by any means (and ill be honest havent read the hundreds page befor)
but i find it very VERY interesting that NA/EU community argue about healer not having enough dps
while japanese community literally does that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jh9r53b6q_c

solo heal a ultimate !!! by just healing and NOT dpsing

again i am not a healer, but maybe just maybe most people got the job wrong ?
befor saying "hes a special case hes very strong or master hes job, or again this boss only allow this strat"
keep in mind i play on a JP server (shinryu) and i have seens many MANY time in savage or EX JP crew solo healing them, and suceeding
i dont mean to step on ppls pride or be rude by any means

Your statement is pretty similar to what Yoshi-P said. Instead of "go play ultimate" it's "why not solo heal ultimate instead of focussing on getting more dps buttons?".
I understand that you're not a healer main and I don't think there's any malice behind your statement.

BUT

Instead of argueing things that have already been argued to death I'll instead ask you this:
Alright, so let's say I just successfully solo healed the most recent Ultimate. And it was fun, I had lots of stuff to heal and boii did some of those hits feel spicy. I still used my nuke the majority of the time but overall I felt like I had fun, I was engaged, I was under a good form of constant pressure. It was great! So I part with 7 other people for the evening after having achieved the not-impossbile-but-extremely-difficult.
What do I do now?
I can hardly spent my whole time in FFXIV solo healing Ultimates, right? I'll most likely want to cap tomes, do roulettes, farm some fates, get gear/ token from normal/ alli raids. What do I do there?
Do I go in, tell my co heal that he's not allowed to heal? Do I tell the tank that he better not use any mitigation at all? Do I tell people to please stand in the bad? Should I just play a different role?
What if I don't have a static but want to farm my weekly 2 chest in Savage? Or get some Ex weapons/ mounts? What do I do if the boss has an untelegraphed healer-targeted mechanic? Should I tell my group that I want to solo heal it but that we might wipe like half the time to bad rng? Should I tell my co heal to simply not touch any heal button? Should I tell the group that they shouldn't use any mitigation/ selfheal? Even without the infamous untelegraphed healer targeted mechanics, what's the plan?
What should I do, as someone who "maybe gets the job wrong", in your opinion?

I do expect an honest answer to this question. No trolling, no memeing.
Honest question, honest answer please.

[MintnHoney]

what i meant by not dpsing, is not trying to actively dps

Please spread the word:
The NA/EU Forums are not asking for DPS because they want the healer role to play more like a DPS, or because they just want to deal more damage.

The NA/EU Forums are asking for actions to use on each healer job when the healer does not have anything to heal. We have noticed that the development team has removed the ability to place buffs and debuffs, and has also been simplifying the battle system by removing things we had previously needed to consider (such as elemental resistance). While we would prefer to be supporting our parties with buffs and debuffs, the development team seems to only want direct damage or damage increase or damage decrease actions within their battle system.

Please understand that most healers wish to heal, even on the NA/EU Forums, but we find that we do not have to heal as often as we have time to DPS and, as we become more proficient in healing (and the party becomes stronger, even being able to heal and defend themselves sufficiently), the time available to use DPS actions increases while the time spent using healing actions tends to decrease. Because we have found so much time to DPS, we want something else to use other than our single basic attack spell (or our single AOE spell, when the situation deems that necessary).

[RyuDragnier]

The only reason why DPS is done more than actual healing these days is because of the abundance of oGCD heals. Back in ARR and HW when they were current content, we didn't have many oGCDs to heal with, so most of the healing was done with GCDs. Plus everything hit harder in those days. An example, you know how hard the first pulls of Holminster hit when ShB first came out? EVERYTHING hit that hard in ARR and HW, so healing was done quite a bit, with DPS being the "reward" for doing well. But nowadays there are so many oGCDs that DPS isn't a reward, it's the norm, because there just isn't a reason to use GCD heals.

Personally I'd like if the devs added a status ailment that hit healers that could "lock" oGCDs, forcing only GCD healing for a bit. That'd probably spice things up a bit and be a hell of a lot more fun for the healing community. Because let's face it, we healers are addicted to the frantic chaos of trying to keep people alive while everything is burning down around us (we're masochists like that).

[Banriikku]

im not a healer by any means (and ill be honest havent read the hundreds page befor)
but i find it very VERY interesting that NA/EU community argue about healer not having enough dps
while japanese community literally does that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jh9r53b6q_c

solo heal a ultimate !!! by just healing and NOT dpsing

again i am not a healer, but maybe just maybe most people got the job wrong ?
befor saying "hes a special case hes very strong or master hes job, or again this boss only allow this strat"
keep in mind i play on a JP server (shinryu) and i have seens many MANY time in savage or EX JP crew solo healing them, and suceeding
i dont mean to step on ppls pride or be rude by any means

As pointed out by others : wrong in both departmens
This healer was alone and still used the dps spell as his/her go-to. So, no you are wrong JP, EU, NA wants the same: Give us something to do besides 111111111211111.
To put it simple nobody asks "make healer to a dps" or "we want same dps as BLM". We want a a divers class with a "easy to pick up, hard to master" and not a class with OP OGCD healing and hit the same button a million times without the use of my brain.