Healers need an overhaul

[Hezhi]

I'm just baffled at the amount of pushback you guys are getting. Some people must genuinely find 11111 2 1111111 2 gameplay fun lol we got some cookie clicker experts in here.
Reading these peoples responses its like the game didnt exist pre ShB and people were utterly incapable of healing fights designed in the exact same way before they axed SCH and friends. It's just sad.

[Selvokaz]

I'm just baffled at the amount of pushback you guys are getting. Some people must genuinely find 11111 2 1111111 2 gameplay fun lol we got some cookie clicker experts in here.
Reading these peoples responses its like the game didnt exist pre ShB and people were utterly incapable of healing fights designed in the exact same way before they axed SCH and friends. It's just sad.

That's the problem, that type of game play has never existed for a healer ever since the games inception unless NO one is ever taking damage or getting hit which from what I've seen is never the case. Even in dungeons after the healer learns their AOE attack, what is everyone else doing using AOE attacks, so because the ninja or whomever else is using 2 or 3 AOE's the healer now has to have 3 AOE's? Why, for what benefit? to do literally what else other than the DPS they were already doing with one spell? Work more efficiently, people. The only reason to add more buttons to a rotation is to increase DPS, and again NOT the healer's job to be on par with someone else's primarily Role. There is always going to be an order of magnitude when it comes to DPS, the DPSers are number one, and tanks are number 2 because it's their primary function to hold aggro over all other roles so it makes sense they deal the 2nd highest amount of damage, and lastly the healer who is splitting between healing and damaging with the former being their best reflection of Big Numbers, and their dps being clearing the minimal margin. Your ideas are basically, "Let their just be DPSers and the tank, and one of the DPSer can occasionally heal the group."

[Payotz]

That's the problem, that type of game play has never existed for a healer ever since the games inception unless NO one is ever taking damage or getting hit which from what I've seen is never the case.

If you want to top the people off after taking like 500 damage then you're free to do so. That's totally fine regardless if you have extra dps buttons or not.

Your ideas are basically, "Let their just be DPSers and the tank, and one of the DPSer can occasionally heal the group.

Yeah, but at least they're actually doing something when they're NOT healing the group.
Downtime is dps. If you don't wanna do something about downtime in a dungeon, then don't do it.

Don't stop people from actually making that downtime efficiently. You can still /mdance in the middle of healing the tank every 5 seconds if you want, I don't care.
Like you can have Rosa in FF4 be on "Defend" all the time if she isn't healing. Whether or not she has offensive spells or an "Attack" option doesn't change the fact that "no Rosa, you're only going to Defend."

But give the healers that actually want to contribute to making the encounter go down faster, actually room to do so.

Give Rosa offensive spells. You're never gonna press it anyway, so give other people the option to do so. It won't change your playstyle.

[elliexer]

Yeah, but at least they're actually doing something when they're NOT healing the group.
Downtime is dps. If you don't wanna do something about downtime in a dungeon, then don't do it.

or idk.. buffs/debuffs during downtime.. just a thought of what support should be instead of the lazy way of making them dps

[Payotz]

or idk.. buffs/debuffs during downtime.. just a thought of what support should be instead of the lazy way of making them dps

Buffs and debuffs are things you press once every minute or two minutes.
Tanks don't spam reprisal. Scholar doesn't spam Chain Strategem.
Bard doesn't spam Battle Voice.

Sure healers can get extra buffs or debuff buttons, but we all know it's going to be a "press once every minute, two minutes, 3 minute" buttons, like every damn debuff and buff in the game.

Filler text cause the forums don't want me to post naked Quotes

[Hezhi]

That's the problem, that type of game play has never existed for a healer ever since the games inception unless NO one is ever taking damage or getting hit which from what I've seen is never the case.

What..? What game are you playing friend? Everywhere in this game, from simple dungeons to Ultimate difficulty content, you have phases where damage dealt to your team can be healed with a single ogcd ability, or phases where your team takes very little damage and/or no healing is required.

Your ideas are basically, "Let their just be DPSers and the tank, and one of the DPSer can occasionally heal the group."

That is not my idea. If you believe healers aren't meant to spend a significant amount of time DPSing you are severely misguided. The way Savage and ultimate encounters were designed attest to that, with damage thresholds accounting for Healers damage contribution. It has been like this for several expansions now.
Being a green DPS that keeps the group alive with the least amount of time and resources possible has literally been what healers have been doing since Stormblood. My statics healers crack jokes about hardcasting healing spells because you're not supposed to heal with these, but mostly with OGCDs between your [aero + glare] casts. That is what playing a healer optimally means in FFXIV.

And if you don't wanna play optimally, that is fine. You can do poor damage as a healer and still clear ANYTHING that isn't an ultimate raid (and even there, depending on which...). If they do end up bringing more DPS tools to some healers, you'll be welcome to ignore them then as you do now, and if you're someone who doesn't care about pushing DPS as a healer, you'll lose nothing. Nothing. None will come at you for not refreshing your DoTs, the same way none will come at you now for forgetting to DPS in a dungeon as a healer, because none gives a qiqirns arse about how much damage you do unless you're actively holding the group back in higher floors of Savage content.
So please don't come and bring down people who don't want to AFK between their Assize casts!