Healers need an overhaul

[Raven2014]

So, basically, I have bad and good experiences under my belt, and I'm choosing to pull from all of them, and I believe you've had bad experiences and are just choosing from them as your basis while ignoring the rest.

Not at all. If I have such negative prognosis as you claim, I doubt I would play as much as I do. Like I said, I play on 4 toons, clearing savage on all of them every week, I already BiS out more jobs than I care to play, even dublicate BiS on the same job on different toon. Yet I still run them? Why? Because I actually enjoy PF very much these days. Correct me if I wrong, but I feel like currently I'm both enjoying both my jobs and my parties far more than the people who are arguing with me right now. In short, I think I had played, and playing way too much for you to dismiss it as "selective from a few bad memory". So from my POV, claiming you're more positive than me is a really hard sale.

Of course I have good memories as well. My previous statiic co-healer was a very conservative one, the kind that give you the license to DPS as much as you want and she cover the heal. My current one is even more amazing. "You will always get the heal you need" is what she told me during the interview. And by that, she didn't mean the bare minimum required by the fight either. She cover people mistake, recover run at amazing efficiency ... yet she still push into the top tier DPS almost effortlessly. So I'm fully aware those kind of healers exist, both in term of skill and mentality. But rest assure, I play more than enough to distinguish between what is the norm and what is the exception.

If even only half of the PF can provide similar co-healers to me even only half of the time, then sure go nut. Give healer 10 more DPS buttons, I'll even be supporting that idea. But ... get real.


My argument simply base on my observation, and It may be a bit presumptuous of me, but I think I work with a much larger sample size than the average player. And even more presumptuous is I would like to think Yoshi-P and his team had the same observation as I did years ago. After all, the way they have been "fixing" that issue over the last 2 expansion fit me to a T.

So feel free to dismiss and make fun of my opinion, it's no big deal. I have no need for agreement on the forum, in game is where it counts. And unless you're not being honest to yourself, you would know the current reality match whose opinion.

[MintnHoney]

If I have such negative prognosis as you claim

You are, indeed, coming from somewhere negative. No amount of personal enjoyment you have with the role or personal achievements you can claim to have will mask the fact that all you've used as a reasoning for your opinion is that you've experienced bad things. But that's not a fair and solid basis, it's just an understandable one.

So feel free to dismiss and make fun of my opinion, it's no big deal. I have no need for agreement on the forum, in game is where it counts. And unless you're not being honest to yourself, you would know the current reality match whose opinion.

I would be happier knowing that your need to come off as taking this in stride and, therefore, being in a better and healthier state of mind about this was not supposed to be illustrated by you're interchanging basic socialization with the state of a video game, but I suppose this is about the most I could ask for after the failed attempts at garnering support by badgering others in here and on the healer forums.

Nevertheless, your words are as inconsequential as your earlier arguments; we do not like the current state of healers, hence this and the other threads. Whether you were here to try and argue against it or not, healers would still need an overhaul.

[Raven2014]

No amount of personal enjoyment you have with the role or personal achievements you can claim to have will mask the fact that all you've used as a reasoning for your opinion is that you've experienced bad things.

Correct, but pray tell how is yours different? I have (had) problem with how people approach playing the job, you have problem with the job itself. After all, if there isn't a problem why would you be complaining? I argue for a better grouping experience, you argue for a better personal experience, why is that mine is negative and not yours? Or do you only see issue in other argument, but never your own?

I guess the difference is mine went from bad to good, so naturally I argue I don't want go back to the bad. Yours went from good to bad, so you argue for the good old days. But that difference does not make the kind of different in the formality of our argument in term of making one more positive than other.

Nevertheless, your words are as inconsequential as your earlier arguments; we do not like the current state of healers, hence this and the other threads. Whether you were here to try and argue against it or not, healers would still need an overhaul.

Also correct, my word is indeed very inconsequential. At the very least, it is as inconsequential as yours or any others. Of course, you and other are freely to state your desire why healer should need an overhaul just like I'm freely pop in and say thanks but not thanks (which basically the tl;dr version of everything I had said).

I even just state this on the last page:

For the record, I'm under no illusion that I will change anyone opinion here, I merely state my opinion on the matter just like how everyone state theirs. You're badly mistaken if you think I'm trying to do more than that. I don't care about having the last word here or to assert my stance

So is there a point to us keep reciting these grandeur but utterly pointless and inconsequential statement?

[MintnHoney]

So is there a point to us keep reciting these grandeur but utterly pointless and inconsequential statement? :?

Only in as much as you want there to be, since you keep returning to make them. That's your cross to bear, though.

[Raven2014]

Only in as much as you want there to be, since you keep returning to make them. That's your cross to bear, though.

I'm not returning to it more than you and others. In my defense, there is one me and like 3-5 of you, so I should have the liberty of repeat similar things because I need to reply to different people. But you know what, now this starts feeling like petty bickering, so let's stop before "making fun of the poster" become the main purpose of the posts rather the side content. (Kinda like how DPS become the main job for healer, get the pun?).

Discuss the topic, not the poster. And I'm saying that fully aware I'm not 100% adhere to that creed myself, but I'll try harder.