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    Quote Originally Posted by Silver-Strider View Post
    Stoneskin back then was JUST a shield, no healing component to it at all but unlike Divine Benison was on the GCD and could be applied to everyone.
    Pretty sure Stoneskin II, the AoE Stoneskin, could only be used outside of combat, if that's what you mean by "could be applied to everyone" (short of taking 8 subpar GCDs to do so)...

    But yes, Stoneskin was spammable, and on a tank it was pretty decent absorption if cast by a WHM (then worth 18% of target HP, up from 10%).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shurrikhan View Post
    Pretty sure Stoneskin II, the AoE Stoneskin, could only be used outside of combat...

    But yes, it was spammable, and on a tank it was pretty decent absorption if cast by a WHM (then worth 18% of target HP, up from 10%).
    Stoneskin 2 wasn't usable in combat but Stoneskin 1 could still be applied in combat and was required for certain mechanics, like Prey in T10 of Coils and was useful to help mitigate Teraflare in T13 because it could stack with Addlo/Succor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silver-Strider View Post
    Stoneskin 2 wasn't usable in combat but Stoneskin 1 could still be applied in combat and was required for certain mechanics, like Prey in T10 of Coils and was useful to help mitigate Teraflare in T13 because it could stack with Addlo/Succor.
    Gotcha; I just misread the intent of "on everyone," since having so much consecutive downtime to do that was pretty rare.




    Also, sorry for the tangent, but... why do some shields still replace each other and others not when they could just deal with the available exploitation of stacked shields by simply... have only a single spammable shield be consumable in any given hit (using the largest, next largest, and so on)?

    Got three shields (Galvanize, Catalysis, and Eukrasian Diagnosis) at once? Cool. But the tankbuster('s first hit) is still only affected by the largest, and the others at most help against whatever follows.

    They ought to at least typify the likes of Galvanize and Eukrasian Diagnosis in that way so that one doesn't replace weaker shields with stronger ones so long as they have a different name; allow any number of them to be stacked, but as it'd only matter against consecutive hits (instead of stacking benefit against OHKOs), it wouldn't be uniquely useful and therefore not exploitable.
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    Last edited by Shurrikhan; 06-19-2022 at 05:38 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shurrikhan View Post
    Also, sorry for the tangent, but... why do some shields still replace each other and others not when they could just deal with the available exploitation of stacked shields by simply... have only a single shield be consumable in any given hit (using the largest, next largest, and so on)?
    Spaghetti Code, muh servers, "we didn't know this was an issue," etc.
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