Healers need an overhaul

[Silverbane]

2- You have no clue at all about what will make me happy, nor about about what I consider positive change.

I never said I did. I wasn't even replying to you, was I?
Indeed, I don't know you, so I don't even care what makes you happy.

3. this is our game- by that I mean SE and us, the customers.

It's not "our" game, it's their game (morally, legally and practically) and we just subscribe to it.

We both need each other.

Would you walk into a McDonald's and proclaim how much they need you and you need them? Of course not. Do you pen missives to Netflix or Disney+ or Amazon prime waxing eloquent about your mutual needs? Again, of course not.
Same with FFXIV.

I don't need SE: I can find other games to play.
And they don't need me, in particular, and maybe not even people with my tastes: they have plenty of other subscribers. The same is almost certainly true for you.

If every single poster that complains about healers in the English-language forums quit tomorrow, if SE noticed at all, they'd probably just notice how much less contentious the forums are.

[IDontPetLalas]

I never said I did. I wasn't even replying to you, was I?
Indeed, I don't know you, so I don't even care what makes you happy.

Indeed, you seem to make it abundantly clear that you don't care what makes other people happy in a public forum thread that concerns itself about what could make the healer community happier, not a specific healer.

It's not "our" game, it's their game (morally, legally and practically) and we just subscribe to it.

Now this is quite funny. What does this even mean, when you think about it? yes, we know SE owns the game - but are you saying that it is immoral to provide feedback or to disagree with their design approach? It's impractical to do so? Why? What are the consequences and to whom, does someone get hurt?

Would you walk into a McDonald's and proclaim how much they need you and you need them? Of course not. Do you pen missives to Netflix or Disney+ or Amazon prime waxing eloquent about your mutual needs? Again, of course not.
Same with FFXIV.

I don't need SE: I can find other games to play.
And they don't need me, in particular, and maybe not even people with my tastes: they have plenty of other subscribers. The same is almost certainly true for you.

You know this really had me shaking my head, I don't doubt that you can find other games to play, of course you can. So can any one of us. However once a company starts down the path of "hey, I have plenty of customers , I don't need to think about him, or her" it isn't such a far path to thinking about whole groups of customers or whole types of customers like that, and before you know it- it might not be long before you don't have to worry about customers. At all.

If every single poster that complains about healers in the English-language forums quit tomorrow, if SE noticed at all, they'd probably just notice how much less contentious the forums are.

and your last comment regarding posts relates to what exactly? I mean no one is forcing you to even read this thread, and this is one thread among many that could be judged as contentious. So do you have any helpful suggestion at all to make, or are you going to stick to "life is good, no point in saying anything"?

[Silverbane]

and your last comment regarding posts relates to what exactly?

Your statement that SE needs you. They don't. Not your posts, not your subscription, not you; you're not that special.

Because while every game maker likes to have players and fans, they don't necessarily want presumptuous possessive fanatics who think they know how the game should operate better than the people who have been making it for years. So beyond not needing you, they may not even want you. You may even annoy them, if they bother to notice you at all.

Oh, but you're giving productive feedback, you'll say. No, you and your ilk are just whining, and there's a difference. A difference that your arrogance makes you blind to.

The rest of your strawmen arguments only merit this reply: the fact that you feel it necessary to make things up to attribute to me merely demonstrates your inability to refute what I actually wrote.

[Semirhage]

Your statement that SE needs you. They don't. Not your posts, not your subscription, not you; you're not that special.

Because while every game maker likes to have players and fans, they don't necessarily want presumptuous possessive fanatics who think they know how the game should operate better than the people who have been making it for years. So beyond not needing you, they may not even want you. You may even annoy them, if they bother to notice you at all.

Oh, but you're giving productive feedback, you'll say. No, you and your ilk are just whining, and there's a difference. A difference that your arrogance makes you blind to.

The rest of your strawmen arguments only merit this reply: the fact that you feel it necessary to make things up to attribute to me merely demonstrates your inability to refute what I actually wrote.

Yes yes, 1111111111111111111 is the best gameplay loop ever devised. We're all just whiny fools for refusing to see it.

Any of the other four bog standard exhausting arguments against how dreadfully boring the healer role is, or are we sticking with door number one today?

[Silverbane]

Any of the other four bog standard exhausting arguments against how dreadfully boring the healer role is, or are we sticking with door number one today?

So, it's not balance, or playability, it's just that you are bored?
Sorry, I don't want SE mucking with classes I like to play just because you and your ilk are bored.
Please just go unsubscribe until the next content release, as Yoshida-san mentioned, and leave the rest of us in peace.

[Nizzi]

So, it's not balance, or playability, it's just that you are bored?
Sorry, I don't want SE mucking with classes I like to play just because you and your ilk are bored.
Please just go unsubscribe until the next content release, as Yoshida-san mentioned, and leave the rest of us in peace.

That 1 button healer spam "gameplay" has got you having so much fun you're spending your time on the forums arguing instead of enjoying it lmao

[Silverbane]

That 1 button healer spam "gameplay" has got you having so much fun you're spending your time on the forums arguing instead of enjoying it lmao

I enjoy a diverse range of activities.

I'm currently waiting for my spouse and our friend to catch up with me on the MSQ so we can do the next dungeon together, standing in Hawker's alley and working on my glam as I write this - one of the joys of having 5 large 4K/QHD monitors hooked to the two GPUs in my system. My spouse and I are on our fourth characters running through the MSQ, and this time we're taking it slow and relaxed.

Edit to add: I'm also eating mint chocolate chip ice cream.

[IDontPetLalas]

Your statement that SE needs you. They don't. Not your posts, not your subscription, not you; you're not that special.

Because while every game maker likes to have players and fans, they don't necessarily want presumptuous possessive fanatics who think they know how the game should operate better than the people who have been making it for years. So beyond not needing you, they may not even want you. You may even annoy them, if they bother to notice you at all.

Oh, but you're giving productive feedback, you'll say. No, you and your ilk are just whining, and there's a difference. A difference that your arrogance makes you blind to.

The rest of your strawmen arguments only merit this reply: the fact that you feel it necessary to make things up to attribute to me merely demonstrates your inability to refute what I actually wrote.

I have no interest at all in making up things about you nor do I intend to encourage you any further in your self- delusional ranting as it doesn't add anything constructive to this thread.

[Silverbane]

I have no interest at all in making up things about you nor do I intend to encourage you any further in your self- delusional ranting as it doesn't add anything constructive to this thread.

Yeah, there's a constructive contribution to the thread -- NOT.
You had to respond, but you couldn't respond to what I wrote; I wonder if you even know what a strawman argument is.

But, compelled to post, you just post insults and blather about what you weren't going to do, and nothing on topic at all. Was it worth it to you? Are you proud of what you've done?