Healers need an overhaul

[LaylaTsarra]

Same here o/

I love healing not going to quit anytime soon.

[Deceptus]

Not to put too fine a point on it: That feedback is useless to developers.

So ya, I'm not surprised you get a snarky reply to it.

We've said how we feel the job is unfun to play. We're then told we need to be precise in our feed back. So then we give precise feedback that gets ignored. Tell me what more healers are supposed to do other than sit down, shut up, and enjoy whatever SE decides to serve us?

Because SE's own words say to do otherwise. They tell us to give feedback but when we do we're ignored.

A warrior solod P1N. That happening doesn't mean that all classes except warrior are unnecessary.(although one of my friends would certainly agree with that sentiment...)

After the initial Warrior clear, Paladin and Gunbreaker did the exact same thing. The only think holding Dark Knight back was how bad of a skill Living Dead was. I'm 100% sure they could do it now if no one has after the Living Dead healing change.

I get that you're upset... but throwing insults and extremes around and using extreme outliers to "prove a point" isn't helpful to anyone.

I don't know why people struggle so much with the idea of keeping their feedback personal and self-reflective rather than speaking in extremes or generalizations of large groups of people they falsely assume are monoliths rather than groups of individuals...

Please show me the insult I threw? I'd kindly ask you not to put words in my mouth especially if you're going to accuse me of something.

Having said all that, the root of a large numbers of Healers remains the same and has yet to be addressed or even acknowledged:

When Healing has been accomplished, Healers revert to a boring state. Healers are punished with WORSE gameplay for playing their job WELL

[IDontPetLalas]

That's because just saying "healers need an overhaul" is non-actionable. It's useless whining that SE has no choice but to ignore.
Unless there's a consensus on what's broken, and even better how to fix it, there's nothing productive SE can derive from this thread, because if SE were to adopt some people's proposals, it would just piss the other people off even more.
And y'all aren't even trying to reach a consensus, you just keep harping on your own personal preferences. (snip)
I get that it's somewhat therapeutic to bitch about stuff. But don't delude yourself into thinking it's going to result in a positive change. Reading this thread, it's easy to see that SE will never make all of you happy, or even most of you.
But I'm happy already, so that's fine.
It's SE's game. It's SE's prerogative to say what is and isn't appropriate for each class.

Unfortunately for many here, none of the FFXIV healers are the healers they want to play, but they just can't quit FFXIV healing for reasons I will defer speculating about. So they come here to complain, like each other's posts for the feels, and tear down anyone who doesn't agree with the righteous of their cause, deluding themselves that this echo chamber they've created with their screeds and their polemics is reflective of a larger reality.
But I guess that's the new internet normal, right?

1- There doesn't need to be a consensus for SE to be able to derive that there are some serious issues. After hundreds of post and numerous threads there are a number of issues that keep popping up. The fact that some of them might conflict isn't surprising- that does not mean that nothing can be done. it means that there is a lot of data to look at trends and do various types of analysis and that is actually extremely good.

2- You have no clue at all about what will make me happy, nor about about what I consider positive change. I work on projects for a living, this past weekend we just successfully put a a 2 year project successfully into Production. it takes a LOT to discourage me.

3. this is our game- by that I mean SE and us, the customers. We both need each other. SE does not decide alone what is "appropriate" for each job, if it did have that attitude the game would not be where it is now. If you enjoy healing now, great1 I'm sure other people do, just as I am also sure that some people do not and want changes.

4 Your last point regarding why people post? Honestly, why is that even necessary to speculate about? If anything that is an example of the 'new internet normal" that you seem to deride, otherwise the posts here have been aimed at trying to get more attention at improving healer engagement in an objective way for the most part . of course each person will bring their own personal experiences into their opinion. Accusing people of being delusional is not reflective of reality.

[Silverbane]

2- You have no clue at all about what will make me happy, nor about about what I consider positive change.

I never said I did. I wasn't even replying to you, was I?
Indeed, I don't know you, so I don't even care what makes you happy.

3. this is our game- by that I mean SE and us, the customers.

It's not "our" game, it's their game (morally, legally and practically) and we just subscribe to it.

We both need each other.

Would you walk into a McDonald's and proclaim how much they need you and you need them? Of course not. Do you pen missives to Netflix or Disney+ or Amazon prime waxing eloquent about your mutual needs? Again, of course not.
Same with FFXIV.

I don't need SE: I can find other games to play.
And they don't need me, in particular, and maybe not even people with my tastes: they have plenty of other subscribers. The same is almost certainly true for you.

If every single poster that complains about healers in the English-language forums quit tomorrow, if SE noticed at all, they'd probably just notice how much less contentious the forums are.

[Nethereal]

I was wondering why this was blowing up. Here to help the cause again I see.

Keep up the good interactions the best disinfectant is sunlight.

[IDontPetLalas]

I never said I did. I wasn't even replying to you, was I?
Indeed, I don't know you, so I don't even care what makes you happy.

Indeed, you seem to make it abundantly clear that you don't care what makes other people happy in a public forum thread that concerns itself about what could make the healer community happier, not a specific healer.

It's not "our" game, it's their game (morally, legally and practically) and we just subscribe to it.

Now this is quite funny. What does this even mean, when you think about it? yes, we know SE owns the game - but are you saying that it is immoral to provide feedback or to disagree with their design approach? It's impractical to do so? Why? What are the consequences and to whom, does someone get hurt?

Would you walk into a McDonald's and proclaim how much they need you and you need them? Of course not. Do you pen missives to Netflix or Disney+ or Amazon prime waxing eloquent about your mutual needs? Again, of course not.
Same with FFXIV.

I don't need SE: I can find other games to play.
And they don't need me, in particular, and maybe not even people with my tastes: they have plenty of other subscribers. The same is almost certainly true for you.

You know this really had me shaking my head, I don't doubt that you can find other games to play, of course you can. So can any one of us. However once a company starts down the path of "hey, I have plenty of customers , I don't need to think about him, or her" it isn't such a far path to thinking about whole groups of customers or whole types of customers like that, and before you know it- it might not be long before you don't have to worry about customers. At all.

If every single poster that complains about healers in the English-language forums quit tomorrow, if SE noticed at all, they'd probably just notice how much less contentious the forums are.

and your last comment regarding posts relates to what exactly? I mean no one is forcing you to even read this thread, and this is one thread among many that could be judged as contentious. So do you have any helpful suggestion at all to make, or are you going to stick to "life is good, no point in saying anything"?

[Sebazy]

So given that there isn't anything even remotely resembling a consensus on what's broken and how to fix it, it should surprise no one if SE ignores this thread.

The core issue with healers is that we routinely press 1 single DPS button well over 100+ times per fight in Savage content and somewhere in the region of 400-500+ times in more casual content such as Aglaia.

Pretty much every complaint stems from this fundamental design flaw. Healers that want to heal complain about being pressured to DPS which is a result of there being a general lack of healing required coupled with basically nothing else to do besides DPS which is precisely what they don't want. On the flip side of the coin, more experienced healers typically complain about downtime being boring and un-involving.

These are the two absolute polar opposite ends of the issue yet they both stem from the same core gameplay problem. Obviously the majority of players will fall somewhere in the middle of these two camps and of course, there are a few different specific reasons behind why we end up spending so much time pressing a single button. But this is the issue that needs to be addressed first and foremost.

[Silverbane]

and your last comment regarding posts relates to what exactly?

Your statement that SE needs you. They don't. Not your posts, not your subscription, not you; you're not that special.

Because while every game maker likes to have players and fans, they don't necessarily want presumptuous possessive fanatics who think they know how the game should operate better than the people who have been making it for years. So beyond not needing you, they may not even want you. You may even annoy them, if they bother to notice you at all.

Oh, but you're giving productive feedback, you'll say. No, you and your ilk are just whining, and there's a difference. A difference that your arrogance makes you blind to.

The rest of your strawmen arguments only merit this reply: the fact that you feel it necessary to make things up to attribute to me merely demonstrates your inability to refute what I actually wrote.

[Rolder50]

I'm not sure what is going on in prior posts here, but I agree that healers need an overhaul. They are boring as sin to play in any kind of half competent group. Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.

[Semirhage]

Your statement that SE needs you. They don't. Not your posts, not your subscription, not you; you're not that special.

Because while every game maker likes to have players and fans, they don't necessarily want presumptuous possessive fanatics who think they know how the game should operate better than the people who have been making it for years. So beyond not needing you, they may not even want you. You may even annoy them, if they bother to notice you at all.

Oh, but you're giving productive feedback, you'll say. No, you and your ilk are just whining, and there's a difference. A difference that your arrogance makes you blind to.

The rest of your strawmen arguments only merit this reply: the fact that you feel it necessary to make things up to attribute to me merely demonstrates your inability to refute what I actually wrote.

Yes yes, 1111111111111111111 is the best gameplay loop ever devised. We're all just whiny fools for refusing to see it.

Any of the other four bog standard exhausting arguments against how dreadfully boring the healer role is, or are we sticking with door number one today?