Healers need an overhaul

[Deceptus]

More misrepresentation; Everyone has agreed what the issue with healers are, just because people have put together TONS of ways to fix it doesn't mean that people don't agree with what's wrong with it, it means that they could do many different things to fix it.

And more importantly:

IT'S NOT OUR JOB TO COME UP WITH THE SOLUTIONS.

We don't get paid to design the game.

Our responsibility is to detect the issues we have as paying customers (and we have, time and time again). We don't have to come up with the solutions as well. Saying otherwise is just passing the buck from the designers to us.

We've done OUR part, the dev team needs to do theirs. They can either meet us in the middle somewhere, or ignore us and watch the healers continue to leave.

Which is probably, IMHO, why they're designing systems to play solo.

Put simply:
During high end content like savage/extreme, the moment to moment experience of healing doesn't require much involvement from the healer, and this is something many of us do not find as engaging as we would like.

Feedback done.

Dungeons don't need a healer at all
The first 3 stages of the normal 8 man were completed without a healer
The first stage of the savage 8 man was completed without a healer
The first two EX trials were completed without a healer.

Healers are essentially pointless in current FFXIV content. That should be the feedback they are receiving.

Except when we tried to bring that up, our question was blatantly miscontrued and we were to told to go play ultimate if we were unhappy.

[Elesh]

And more importantly:

IT'S NOT OUR JOB TO COME UP WITH THE SOLUTIONS.

We don't get paid to design the game.

Our responsibility is to detect the issues we have as paying customers (and we have, time and time again). We don't have to come up with the solutions as well. Saying otherwise is just passing the buck from the designers to us.

We've done OUR part, the dev team needs to do theirs. They can either meet us in the middle somewhere, or ignore us and watch the healers continue to leave.

Which is probably, IMHO, why they're designing systems to play solo.



Dungeons don't need a healer at all
The first 3 stages of the normal 8 man were completed without a healer
The first stage of the savage 8 man was completed without a healer
The first two EX trials were completed without a healer.

Healers are essentially pointless in current FFXIV content. That should be the feedback they are receiving.

Except when we tried to bring that up, our question was blatantly miscontrued and we were to told to go play ultimate if we were unhappy.

Not to put too fine a point on it: That feedback is useless to developers.

So ya, I'm not surprised you get a snarky reply to it.

A warrior solod P1N. That happening doesn't mean that all classes except warrior are unnecessary.(although one of my friends would certainly agree with that sentiment...)

I get that you're upset... but throwing insults like calling healers 'pointless' and extremes around and using extreme outliers to "prove a point" isn't helpful to anyone.

I don't know why people struggle so much with the idea of keeping their feedback personal and self-reflective rather than speaking in extremes or generalizations of large groups of people they falsely assume are monoliths rather than groups of individuals...

[Deceptus]

Not to put too fine a point on it: That feedback is useless to developers.

So ya, I'm not surprised you get a snarky reply to it.

We've said how we feel the job is unfun to play. We're then told we need to be precise in our feed back. So then we give precise feedback that gets ignored. Tell me what more healers are supposed to do other than sit down, shut up, and enjoy whatever SE decides to serve us?

Because SE's own words say to do otherwise. They tell us to give feedback but when we do we're ignored.

A warrior solod P1N. That happening doesn't mean that all classes except warrior are unnecessary.(although one of my friends would certainly agree with that sentiment...)

After the initial Warrior clear, Paladin and Gunbreaker did the exact same thing. The only think holding Dark Knight back was how bad of a skill Living Dead was. I'm 100% sure they could do it now if no one has after the Living Dead healing change.

I get that you're upset... but throwing insults and extremes around and using extreme outliers to "prove a point" isn't helpful to anyone.

I don't know why people struggle so much with the idea of keeping their feedback personal and self-reflective rather than speaking in extremes or generalizations of large groups of people they falsely assume are monoliths rather than groups of individuals...

Please show me the insult I threw? I'd kindly ask you not to put words in my mouth especially if you're going to accuse me of something.

Having said all that, the root of a large numbers of Healers remains the same and has yet to be addressed or even acknowledged:

When Healing has been accomplished, Healers revert to a boring state. Healers are punished with WORSE gameplay for playing their job WELL