Healers need an overhaul

[Somnolence]

There is a healer, that is powerful and feels good to play - blue mage. And the reason of this is obvious - in this role it is still DPS, just with with powerful and single purpose healing spells slotted in. Feels like counterpoint to tanks also being DPS with thread generation and CDs added on, doesn't it? And in case you are doing savage with BLU for morbol or titles you don't need both BLU healers slotting all the spells, meaning one can be off-healer and have even more DPS spells.

Specifically the healing spells that they have and are sufficient are: strong single target heal, AoE heal with HoT, AoE heal, powerful AoE heal, AoE Esuna, AoE shield. Two latter ones are not slotted in by off-healer. This healing toolkit is fully sufficient for anything in the game.

Compare this to White Mage that has what, 17 healing/dmg mit skills and 1 spammable DPS spell with 2 others being sprinkled in occasionally (and one of them is doubles as a heal) if there is nothing to heal.

[Silverbane]

Daily reminder that, despite that one person about 15 or so pages ago, the healer role really does still need an overhaul.

The joke here is that if you read through this thread, you'll find that different people want absolutely opposite overhauls. The changes some of the people here want will piss off some of the other people here: Some want a healer to need to do more heals and less outgoing damage, some want healers to have more buttons to DPS with (although it's not clear if they want more DPS or just more complication in delivering the same DPS), some want healers to have support buffs like a bards do, and so on.

So given that there isn't anything even remotely resembling a consensus on what's broken and how to fix it, it should surprise no one if SE ignores this thread.

The only consensus here is that people who are just fine with healers as they are ... well, read the thread, you'll see. That's the one opinion that must be not be heard: that healers do not need an overhaul.

[Elesh]

The joke here is that if you read through this thread, you'll find that different people want absolutely opposite overhauls. The changes some of the people here want will piss off some of the other people here: Some want a healer to need to do more heals and less outgoing damage, some want healers to have more buttons to DPS with (although it's not clear if they want more DPS or just more complication in delivering the same DPS), some want healers to have support buffs like a bards do, and so on.

So given that there isn't anything even remotely resembling a consensus on what's broken and how to fix it, it should surprise no one if SE ignores this thread.

The only consensus here is that people who are just fine with healers as they are ... well, read the thread, you'll see. That's the one opinion that must be not be heard: that healers do not need an overhaul.

There is one other near-consensus - at least here in this thread... and that the current iteration of healers is relatively non-interactive in moment to moment gameplay, and that - regardless of the differences of opinion - the majority of healers who play content at end game would appreciate it being made a bit more interactive.

But you are correct that there are as many ideas on how to fix that problem as there are fish in the sea and that many of them are diametrically opposed.

[LeonKeyh]

The joke here is that if you read through this thread, you'll find that different people want absolutely opposite overhauls. The changes some of the people here want will piss off some of the other people here: Some want a healer to need to do more heals and less outgoing damage, some want healers to have more buttons to DPS with (although it's not clear if they want more DPS or just more complication in delivering the same DPS), some want healers to have support buffs like a bards do, and so on.

So given that there isn't anything even remotely resembling a consensus on what's broken and how to fix it, it should surprise no one if SE ignores this thread.

The only consensus here is that people who are just fine with healers as they are ... well, read the thread, you'll see. That's the one opinion that must be not be heard: that healers do not need an overhaul.

No, that's not the case at all. Either one of the groups of players that want an overhaul is bigger alone than the people who don't want it. If you split into people who want an overhaul vs people who don't, it's probably AT LEAST 80% for and 20% against. I also guarantee that those people aren't "against" an other solution as long as there's improvement. You're splitting up the people against you into as many different subgroups as possible to make your group the plurality, but even that won't work.

There are more people who want healers to provide support buffs than people who are happy with healers as is.

There are more people who want healers to have bigger DPS kits (regardless of whether it means more DPS or not) than people who are happy with healers as is.

There are more people who want healers to heal more and deal less damage than people who are happy with healers as is.

You're in the smallest minority here and no amount of subdivision will make you the plurality.

Gameplay is broken because it's 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1, people have multiple suggestions to fix it, but they just want it to be fixed.

[Elesh]

No, that's not the case at all. Either one of the groups of players that want an overhaul is bigger alone than the people who don't want it. If you split into people who want an overhaul vs people who don't, it's probably AT LEAST 80% for and 20% against. I also guarantee that those people aren't "against" an other solution as long as there's improvement. You're splitting up the people against you into as many different subgroups as possible to make your group the plurality, but even that won't work.

There are more people who want healers to provide support buffs than people who are happy with healers as is.

There are more people who want healers to have bigger DPS kits (regardless of whether it means more DPS or not) than people who are happy with healers as is.

There are more people who want healers to heal more and deal less damage than people who are happy with healers as is.

You're in the smallest minority here and no amount of subdivision will make you the plurality.

Gameplay is broken because it's 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1, people have multiple suggestions to fix it, but they just want it to be fixed.

We don't actually have any reasonable metric for gauging that. There could easily be ten times the people posting here who are just playing healers on the game and never come to the forums and love the class design. We have no way of knowing the actual numbers.

While I am on the side of 'healers need work', I don't make any claims to know how popular or unpopular my stance is beyond the numbers seen on this forum and on other similar feedback sources. Don't make your feedback assuming - because you've read a thread on the forums - that you're the majority. Make your feedback knowing that you're speaking explicitly for yourself and that is all you can attest to with any confidence.

[Silverbane]

You're in the smallest minority here ...

But because:

1) truth is NOT determined by popularity,
2) there's no reason to believe that the participants in these forums are a representative cross-section of the player base, and
3) people are more likely to post when they have a gripe than when they are happy,

it doesn't matter a damn whether I'm in the minority. I'm still right.

[MintnHoney]

The joke here is that if you read through this thread, you'll find that different people want absolutely opposite overhauls. The changes some of the people here want will piss off some of the other people here: Some want a healer to need to do more heals and less outgoing damage, some want healers to have more buttons to DPS with (although it's not clear if they want more DPS or just more complication in delivering the same DPS), some want healers to have support buffs like a bards do, and so on.

So given that there isn't anything even remotely resembling a consensus on what's broken and how to fix it, it should surprise no one if SE ignores this thread.

Consider that even those who are opposed to a total overhaul have also said that Healers do need changes, and some have even stated that they don't even rightly know how or what changes are required.
Given that even those who are opposed to the overhauls also seem to be in a camp of "but they do need to be fixed," I would say that there's even more of a consensus that Healers need to be fixed. Given that we can't change the game, we are focusing on changing the healer role via an overhaul.

Honestly, the only joke here is you, and how you're attempting to minimize a consensus because everyone happens to want to offer different solutions to an open-ended problem that doesn't have a precise solution for it.

That's the one opinion that must be not be heard: that healers do not need an overhaul.

When backed by your logic, it's at least the opinion that's been shot down a few different times, even by people you allege to be in your own camp. Congratulations on being the Donald Trump of the "Don't Overhaul" vs "Overhaul" debate.

[LeonKeyh]

But because:

1) truth is NOT determined by popularity,
2) there's no reason to believe that the participants in these forums are a representative cross-section of the player base, and
3) people are more likely to post when they have a gripe than when they are happy,

it doesn't matter a damn whether I'm in the minority. I'm still right.

You're conflating truth and opinion now. There's no objective proof, only subjective opinion and in the world of subjective opinion the majority rules. So the word you're looking for isn't "right."

I also love how your points are:

1. Truth isn't determined by popularity
2. Truth is determined by popularity but the forums don't represent popularity
3. Truth is determined by popularity, the forums represent popularity, but people don't post if they're happy.

[Silverbane]

I also love how your points are:
...

Those were not my points, and anyone with a 4th grade or better reading level will see that.
You're not doing your own reputation any favors by posting such blatant misrepresentations of what other people wrote. But that seems to be the norm for Healer Justice Warriors, so I'm not surprised.

Unless you can demonstrate the ability to have a rational discussion on these issues, you'll will be lucky if SE even pretends to listen to you. People who blatantly misrepresent positions they disagree with don't deserve any better than that.

[MintnHoney]

But that seems to be the norm for Healer Justice Warriors, so I'm not surprised.

This, from someone who confuses the offering of different opinions in support of fixing an issue as disagreeing that there's an issue.