Healers need an overhaul

[Supersnow845]

I love healers are they are and I don't want a more complicated DPS rotation! Not everyone shares the same taste.

Sure but why do all 4 healers need to revolve around 1 taste, like we don’t make every class a proc based free form rotation class because some people love current BRD

My problem is they had this right years ago, WHM really hasn’t changed much, why did SCH and AST have to be gutted because some people liked WHM

[Deceptus]

Sure but why do all 4 healers need to revolve around 1 taste, like we don’t make every class a proc based free form rotation class because some people love current BRD

My problem is they had this right years ago, WHM really hasn’t changed much, why did SCH and AST have to be gutted because some people liked WHM

Unfortunately AST was always the problem child ever since it was implemented. It was either too strong in the healing department with the benefits of card buffs, or it was average and the card buffs didn't bring it up to par with SCH/WHM.

So SE's grand solution was to bring both SCH and WHM to the AST DPS model of a single dot and a single filler spell (riveting gameplay!). Where they screwed up royally is AST had that dps rotation BECAUSE most of their downtime was spent with cards.

So pre-Endwalker we had 2 healers, that didn't have constant job identity actions every 30s, using the model of a job that did and It.Just.Didn't.Work.

It's not fun.

[IDontPetLalas]

Unfortunately AST was always the problem child ever since it was implemented. It was either too strong in the healing department with the benefits of card buffs, or it was average and the card buffs didn't bring it up to par with SCH/WHM.

So SE's grand solution was to bring both SCH and WHM to the AST DPS model of a single dot and a single filler spell (riveting gameplay!). Where they screwed up royally is AST had that dps rotation BECAUSE most of their downtime was spent with cards.

So pre-Endwalker we had 2 healers, that didn't have constant job identity actions every 30s, using the model of a job that did and It.Just.Didn't.Work.

It's not fun.

Only "most of AST downtime being occupied with cards" isn't even the case, it's only a fraction of downtime. Most of it is still hitting 1 DPS button, it's only marginally more interesting,

I would expect that the opener is where a fair number of people might disagree that AST can be more challenging to play well.

[BRVV]

I love healers are they are and I don't want a more complicated DPS rotation! Not everyone shares the same taste.

Doesn't need to be a dps rotation. Something else to do is all i ask for. Could be skills that are needed to build up healing juices or support skills. More stuff like emergency tactics would be nice too. It should just be more natural. Right now we have the little dps kit, the GCD and oGCD heals and "oh shit" skills

[KDSilver]

I love healers are they are and I don't want a more complicated DPS rotation! Not everyone shares the same taste.

The main complain is not to have a complicated DPS rotation.
It's something different and interesting to press instead of the basic nuke + dot whenre there's few or no healing to do.

Besides, there are 4 healers, they don't all need to fit that philosophy.

[IDontPetLalas]

I love healers are they are and I don't want a more complicated DPS rotation! Not everyone shares the same taste.

It wouldn't matter if SE added more DPS options for downtimes or *gasp* soloing for healers, those people who want to help their party (i.e. kill things faster) when healing isn't needed, or participate in more challenging content will likely appreciate having more options - but those people who ignore DPS options will continue to do so, and can't be forced to do so.

So if you don't like complex rotations- by which I would take as mean as identical to DPS - I don't believe most (or anyone, really) in the healer forums as asked for that, and if more DPS options are added then you could conceivably continue to hit "1" in future if you wanted to do so, and continue to heal as much as you wanted.

[ty_taurus]

I love healers are they are and I don't want a more complicated DPS rotation! Not everyone shares the same taste.

A job can have more than 1 filler button and 1 DoT and not be complicated or difficult. Just look at SMN and DNC. I love DNC and it's not very complicated, but it also has nuance, which is nice. Giving jobs room to improve their performance actually can make the game easier as content can be balanced around jobs performing at a lower threshold, but allow you to do better than that and lets skill make up some of the gap in gear level, for example.

[ForteNightshade]

I love healers are they are and I don't want a more complicated DPS rotation! Not everyone shares the same taste.

If you don't touch any harder content than 24 mans, then the inclusion of more DPS buttons or "complexity" doesn't impact you in the slightest. You could literally never press any of those new buttons and still clear the content you want to.

That's the issue here. With a higher skill ceiling people who want more engaging stuff to do on their respective jobs have that option. As things are now, I'm bored to tears spamming Dosis III 500 times in Aglaia while you get to have fun. Doesn't seem fair does it?

[SieyaM]

If you don't touch any harder content than 24 mans, then the inclusion of more DPS buttons or "complexity" doesn't impact you in the slightest. You could literally never press any of those new buttons and still clear the content you want to.

That's the issue here. With a higher skill ceiling people who want more engaging stuff to do on their respective jobs have that option. As things are now, I'm bored to tears spamming Dosis III 500 times in Aglaia while you get to have fun. Doesn't seem fair does it?

Except it never plays out that way. Healers could definitely do with more interesting options in their play but we all know that anyone not using actions given in any content will immediately be kicked after being called a myriad of insults.

[Nizzi]

Except it never plays out that way. Healers could definitely do with more interesting options in their play but we all know that anyone not using actions given in any content will immediately be kicked after being called a myriad of insults.

What bizarro parallel reality FFXIV are you playing? In the years I've been playing, not once have I ever seen anyone kick a healer for not doing DPS
Even as a former healer main I don't bother to kick people for that in casual content because it literally does not matter