Healers need an overhaul

[Semirhage]

Right now, it's back to Pathfinder Wrath of the Righteous for the time being.

Oo, I've been meaning to abuse Elemental Barrage as a lich. I did my good helping everyone Azata run, but now I want to go Lawful Evil and kill my more annoying party members

[ty_taurus]

I've quit healing officially this expansion as a main.
I was already slowly waning off it in SB, barely played SHB because of it and now
I put up my Cane, Book, Globe and new whatever the hell Sage uses because it's boring.
Do not want to press 1111111111-2-111111111.
Please understand this IS BORING. MY 1 AND 2 KEY NEED A BREAK.

We don't need 10 of the same damn buttons. Do NOT need like 3 Heal Potency up spells.
Merge some spells such as Cure 1 and Esuna together.
GIVE US DPS BUTTONS PLEASE.

And most importantly:
PLEASE FIX AST!
DAMAGE CARDS AREN'T FUN.
I miss my Time Mage and my RNG fun cards please God lmao.
Someone give me my AST BACK. ):

Supposedly, if you put your job stones in your chocobo's satchel or with your retainers, it makes it look like there are less players who have those jobs unlocked. I don't know how true it is, but it shows that my SCH is level 0 if I do that.

[Renalt]

WHM has stone, aero, and once had water but it was useless....they could have made it so they use the elements to attack in some kind of combo.

Then again if they every release Geomancer they could pretty much do the same.

[Nizzi]

Supposedly, if you put your job stones in your chocobo's satchel or with your retainers, it makes it look like there are less players who have those jobs unlocked. I don't know how true it is, but it shows that my SCH is level 0 if I do that.

I want to do this, but I also find SCH and SGE a lot of fun in PvP ;_;

[Soge01]

PvP dev team needs to give Pve team some pointers. Healers can focus on healing, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't have big shootie boom boom moves when the former isn't needed at certain points during a fight.

Less copy paste healing buttons and more variety in what a Healer can do, please.

[QooEr]

I want to do this, but I also find SCH and SGE a lot of fun in PvP ;_;

well, the saddlebag is always accessible. its not like a retainer where you gotta teleport to retrieve items.

[Niadissa]

So, 36 pages now, and no acknowledgement at all that maybe there is an issue? All of the pages on the healer forum, now its on the main General discussion forum and still nothing is said says a lot about what they feel about healers. Honestly at this point i've canceled my sub, and if we haven't heard anything by 6.2 I'm out for good.

Sure I'm just one person, square won't miss my $20 a month, but I can't really justify giving my money to a game where my preferred role is constantly dumbed down or just straight up ignored.

Yoshi-P himself said that in their dungeon playtest group that they replaced the healer because they were "to good at their job" speaks volumes to me, and explains why dungeon content will never be interesting. Extremes aren't something I do much of, and have never beaten a savage tier in era, but I enjoyed spending time with my friends. Right now, I log in, send out the FC's submersibles, check my retainers, and run the alliance raid till I get my weekly drop.

Some of the people that have been in this thread will say "Then go do extremes, try savage" and to that I say why? Healers exist to fix DPS's mistakes, if all of the DPS do there job the job is boring. So to have fun at my job, I have to group with people who don't know theirs. The tanks have enough self mitigation that they can, and have, gotten away without needing healers at all. Why is healers role to babysit the rest of the party? Even that I would be fine with if we had more to do. Others have said give me more DPS buttons, but the other aspect that has been ignored / taken away from us is support. WHM had fluid aura, you could knock and mob away from the group and bind them in place. They had repose, a sleep spell that is worthless in any content, there is no use for this spell at all they way the game is currently designed, but we still have this one spell for some reason. It has somehow made the cut and been kept throughout all of the expansions when other tools that were used have been taken away.

Healers are an afterthought to these devs, and it 100% shows.

EDIT: Speaking of spells that haven't seen much use, maybe i'm just not remembering it, but I can't think of the last time I used Esuna either in current content.

[rewd]

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Sage was yet another proof that the devs don't care about healers anymore. They didn't want to design another healer but they had too because of the community. What they did was coming up with an arbitrary pure/shield healer dichotomy which is not reflected in gameplay in a meaningful way and copying the majority of the kit of an already existing healer. Bnipoom, here's your new shiny healer with the least amount of effort possible.

And they actually got away with this. Playing a healer means not being able to voice your frustration because:

- if we find healing boring, it's because we are elitists that only play with the best of the best
- if we want more DPS buttons, we should play a DPS (and yet they can't come up with a good counterargument as to why tanks shouldn't be reduced to a ST and an AoE DPS skill too)
- if we complain about SGE being a SCH copy, apologists will try to insult your intelligence and convince you that Taurochole having mitigation unlike Excog totally means that the job is to be played in new and exciting ways

and many other dumb arguments you guys already saw millions of times.

Imagine the devs pulling this but with a DPS job. Imagine DNC being BRD except for a bunch of skills. You have 3 dances you cycle through that buff your allies and enable some of your skills via procs. Other skills get the Troubadour/Shield Samba and they are literally the same with a different icon and name. They wouldn't have been able to get away with this because we are talking about a DPS.

[Jonathan_Clover]

So, 36 pages now, and no acknowledgement at all that maybe there is an issue? All of the pages on the healer forum, now its on the main General discussion forum and still nothing is said says a lot about what they feel about healers. Honestly at this point i've canceled my sub, and if we haven't heard anything by 6.2 I'm out for good.

Honestly, the only way I could MAYBE see them acknowledge this(and ACTUALLY acknowledge it) would for them to face massive negative PR over it via gaming/news articles.
Even then, it's a toss up on if they even do anything, since they seem so determined to ignore the cries of healers.

[QooEr]

Honestly, the only way I could MAYBE see them acknowledge this(and ACTUALLY acknowledge it) would for them to face massive negative PR over it via gaming/news articles.
Even then, it's a toss up on if they even do anything, since they seem so determined to ignore the cries of healers.

its going to eventually reach critical mass, and theyre going to have to acknowledge it eventually. even new and casual healers arent enjoying healing. yes theres some out there who think pressing medica ii once a minute is exhilarating and let the tanks die because reading tooltips is hard somehow but most people eventually grow past that phase.

i think more people should put their money where their mouth is and actually switch jobs or unsub (i unsubbed for a few months cuz well, if i wanted more engagement i should just play ultimate amirite??).

the game still has too many other fun things to do for people to do to unsub over "just" healers but its already pushing dedicated healer mains away. maybe it wont happen this expansion or the next, but if they keep like this eventually its going to snap. the dedicated healer mains i know basically only do savage/ultimate and even the most hardcore fans eventually get bored of doing the same few fights ad infinitum.