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    Quote Originally Posted by Loonies View Post
    Good players can do this, but i am not a good player, i won't get better. When there was not much content and story anymore for me in WoW, i tried FF14 and now i am happy to have back lot of more easy content with a lot of story. I just do normal dungeons, i leave more difficult runs as savage and ultimate for the better players.
    So maybe expert, savage and ultimate runs should be more a challenge for heal as well, but this can be done without more dps buttons.
    8 years too late for that reply there buddy, hardest EX we ever got was Thordan EX and no EX has been that hard since, content hasn’t changed its difficulty curve since Stormblood and the game has only grown the devs ain’t changing the content difficulty, they have had multiple expansions to do so and choose nah fam we good, this leaves job design as the only thing that can change for healers situation to get better, which the devs are completely ignoring what they have done to them, so no changes will happen until a mass healer exodus actually happens at this stage but I’ll go over my gripes in a separate post.
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    So my gripes with healer design:

    Let’s start off with the side the devs want us to focus on, the healing side of our toolkit.

    Healing toolkit:

    -Let’s start with the elephant in the room, the healing side of the healing toolkit is fundamentally broken from the ground up on a design level, what do I mean?, I am talking how the devs have oversaturated the healing toolkit so much it now actively makes its own healing tools redundant, that is a level of failure in job design that should not be accepted ever but they just do not see the issue. They have continuously said healers have had button bloat but have always ignored the obvious buttons to condense and remove to go after an ill conceived bogeyman that barely existed. Cure 1 and Benefic 1 and their associated procs can be condensed into level up system they do with the dps spells all they would have to do is lower the no cost of Cure II and Benefic II, if this happened no one would bat an eye and no one would miss them.
    -Ogcds healing tools are too readily available and are making the healing gcd tools get the scowl of Lahabrea aka “Pathetic” or the last resort, this gets exasperated the more skilled at healing you get
    -The reward for timing your heals, managing your resources is terrible for healers, this actively incentivises people to not get better at their role because why bother if all I get is tedium incarnate for a reward
    -This ties in with the above point, Non healer jobs especially tanks have far far too many healing options for themselves, this actively makes healers feel like they are not worth bringing into content because if the War can self heal for the full dungeon why is a healer needed, if dps can keep their hp above lethal damage then healers are just for show, this doesn’t even need the healer to be a skilled player in fact they could be a literal cat sitting on the keyboard and the content would be cleared this is a design issue across the board and actively hurts healers.
    -Top end content always has people try and see if they can no tank and no healer it because more dps = faster kills, instead of praising the skill it took for non healer clears we should all be collectively shoving it into the devs face and go “Look at the content you are designing, look at the jobs you are designing, an entire role is being ignored and allowed to be ignored for your hard content that is unacceptable standards”, they nerfed chicken nugget(Titan-egi) back when smn’s made tanks redundant for Ramuh EX but now that healers are summarily being made redundant in fights full silence.
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    (I’m on mobile so condensing the posts into a single one will have to wait, if I even remember)

    DPS side of the healer toolkit:

    -It is boring and fundamentally doesn’t change from level 8, yeah those next 82 levels of the msq/over world/solo instances are the same buttons, you’ll branch out to hit the occasional different button(Assize/Energy Drain/Card etc) but your gcd will remain whatever you mapped Stone/Ruin/Malefic to and whatever your DoT is mapped to every 30s, your AoE is almost never needed outside dungeons, and Sage shouldn’t press their other dps options because it is a dps loss otherwise and thus making the fights take longer for them if they do.

    I ultimately want the job design team and Yoshi P to be forced to play healers for a month that should be more than enough time for them to be really sick and tired of their 1s and 2s.(not petty in the slightest I swear /s but all seriousness it generally feels like no one on the job design team or has any say in job design actively plays a healer like players do and there now feels like a huge disconnect between seasoned healer players and devs)
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    Novae Ombreloup
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    Healer overhaul will only happen the day Yoshida will stop seeing sprouts as stupid players with hands full of thumbs.
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  5. 04-25-2022 12:18 AM
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    nvm post was kinda dumb

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    Saya Finwel
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    No thanks my sage is fine don't know about the other healer since i only up them to 90 and never touch them again but stay away from muh sage.
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    Yo-tsu Amilar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Syln View Post
    No thanks my sage is fine don't know about the other healer since i only up them to 90 and never touch them again but stay away from muh sage.
    How the F is Sage 'fine'?

    The whole Addersting mechanic is doa with how Toxikon is tuned.
    Kardia is basicly just a targeted sch fairy (you know like the Fairy was back in the less bad days).
    Phlegma happens about as often as assize on WHM.
    And the rest is the same overbloated healing kit every other healer has.

    Which is somewhere between utterly un-necessary and too much depending on content and Tank.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk View Post
    So who wants to go tell the god of wisdom and magic and king of the Viking pantheon that his robes aren't manly enough?

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    Iedarus Meridus
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    Missed opportunity to have Eukrasia actually upgrade spells into Addersting consuming variants.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iedarus View Post
    Was this what Yoshi P wanted for people like me? Did he assume we were too foolish to take any semblance of complexity? How could such an allegedly open developer act so dismissive towards his own players? The flavor of the jobs I loved so much throughout the franchise were mere husks of themselves. What was once a magical world peeled away to reveal a sterile room of four walls. No imagination, no challenge, only accessibility for the sake of it. I didn't feel welcomed, I felt betrayed.
    I'll give healer a try up until level 100. If I do not like it, I'm off the role, entirely.

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    Deviously Enchanted
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    Sargatanas
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sani2341 View Post
    How the F is Sage 'fine'?
    Obviously it's fine because this is the type of player Yoshi balances healers around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Someone
    Just because other players play the game. Does not mean you got to be mindful, or care
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    The problem ISN'T healers rotation is busted or boring...

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    Katori Scarlet
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    Botanist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Syln View Post
    No thanks my sage is fine don't know about the other healer since i only up them to 90 and never touch them again but stay away from muh sage.
    Essentially the same as sage in my experience....barely use anything other than ur single casted spell n break the mind numbing drool off my mouth by using a ogcd
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