Frontline is Hot garbage.

[Gserpent]

I'll just min effort for my daily XP on the last job I'm leveling then never do PvP again.

Please don't do this. Not only is it being a dick to the teammates unfortunate enough to have you sandbagging their team, it's a direct violation of the Terms of Service.

If you don't want to PvP, *then don't queue for PvP.* There are a ton of ways of getting XP if you don't enjoy PvP.

[Issaella]

Please don't do this. Not only is it being a dick to the teammates unfortunate enough to have you sandbagging their team, it's a direct violation of the Terms of Service.

If you don't want to PvP, *then don't queue for PvP.* There are a ton of ways of getting XP if you don't enjoy PvP.

Translation - "I want to speak to your manager. I don't think you are putting enough effort into your *insert menial underpayed job* service to me".

I basically only play meme specs at this point and I guarantee my "min effort" is considerable more than all the people feeding on points surrounded by half a dozen Slipstreams/Bahamuts or getting run over by a deathball migrating from a nearby point clearly visible on the map. I will reiterate, with how little effect individual performance has on FL now due to the ability to stack wombo-combos in premade groups or just coordinating them in /a what does it matter? I used to shot-call regularly pre-6.1 and swung 2nd/3rds into wins a good number of times. Now, good luck, coordination means jack all when the other team can carpet-bomb every point with SMN/WHM stacking or PLD can allow their teammates to invul-cap a point you are actively defending. So I'll just join the fad and play SMN/WHM until I get my wins then not engage with it any more.

[Gserpent]

Translation - "I want to speak to your manager. I don't think you are putting enough effort into your *insert menial underpayed job* service to me".

I basically only play meme specs at this point and I guarantee my "min effort" is considerable more than all the people feeding on points surrounded by half a dozen Slipstreams/Bahamuts or getting run over by a deathball migrating from a nearby point clearly visible on the map. I will reiterate, with how little effect individual performance has on FL now due to the ability to stack wombo-combos in premade groups or just coordinating them in /a what does it matter? I used to shot-call regularly pre-6.1 and swung 2nd/3rds into wins a good number of times. Now, good luck, coordination means jack all when the other team can carpet-bomb every point with SMN/WHM stacking or PLD can allow their teammates to invul-cap a point you are actively defending. So I'll just join the fad and play SMN/WHM until I get my wins then not engage with it any more.

Individual performance matters more than ever.

I'm sorry that you just suck at the game, but you should stop blaming the game for your own inadequacies.

[Issaella]

So we go from Karen "I want to speak to your manager" to "if you don't like FL you suck at it" in less than 2 posts. Keep up the good work my dude.

Individual performance is meaningless in FL right now. PLD/DRK premades can invul-cap points, there is no counterplay to that, none. If you have a premade on the other team doing that, you might as well just walk away from the point when they show up. SMN/WHM premades can literally dominate points through area denial/AoE that can't be countered (spoiler: this is going to be much worse now with the BLM buffs). Once the Slipstreams and Bahamuts are out you have no option to contest the point except feeding or waiting it out. Coordination/shotcalling is similarly useless unless you have a bunch of meme spec premades already. If the other team has more SMN/WHM or some other meme spec composition they can just run you over with deathball. In FL right now success is entirely dependent on which team has more meme specs and can coordinate them most efficiently.

This isn't even mentioning the high percentage of 2v1 matches since 6.1 (whether that is being driven by mods is debatable, but I would argue it's probably). In 3 years of playing I could count the number of 2v1 matches on one hand. Now it seems like every other match 2 of the teams aren't fighting each other at all and only engaging the third team. If you are odd man out in the arrangement you might as well just run circles around spawn to get it over with quicker.

My thoughts go back to one of my favorite comedy movies in regards to FL right now. In Office Space where the the 2 Bobs are questioning Peter about how much work he does and he says "It's a problem of motivation alright? Now if I work my *** off and Innertech ships a few extra units I don't see an extra dime. So where is the motivation?" Just substitute "dime" for "win", that's how FL feels at the moment unless you are rolling with a premade every match.

[Gserpent]

So we go from Karen "I want to speak to your manager" to "if you don't like FL you suck at it" in less than 2 posts. Keep up the good work my dude.

Individual performance is meaningless in FL right now. PLD/DRK premades can invul-cap points, there is no counterplay to that, none. If you have a premade on the other team doing that, you might as well just walk away from the point when they show up. SMN/WHM premades can literally dominate points through area denial/AoE that can't be countered (spoiler: this is going to be much worse now with the BLM buffs). Once the Slipstreams and Bahamuts are out you have no option to contest the point except feeding or waiting it out. Coordination/shotcalling is similarly useless unless you have a bunch of meme spec premades already. If the other team has more SMN/WHM or some other meme spec composition they can just run you over with deathball. In FL right now success is entirely dependent on which team has more meme specs and can coordinate them most efficiently.

This isn't even mentioning the high percentage of 2v1 matches since 6.1 (whether that is being driven by mods is debatable, but I would argue it's probably). In 3 years of playing I could count the number of 2v1 matches on one hand. Now it seems like every other match 2 of the teams aren't fighting each other at all and only engaging the third team. If you are odd man out in the arrangement you might as well just run circles around spawn to get it over with quicker.

My thoughts go back to one of my favorite comedy movies in regards to FL right now. In Office Space where the the 2 Bobs are questioning Peter about how much work he does and he says "It's a problem of motivation alright? Now if I work my *** off and Innertech ships a few extra units I don't see an extra dime. So where is the motivation?" Just substitute "dime" for "win", that's how FL feels at the moment unless you are rolling with a premade every match.

Again: you just suck at the game. You should accept that and then decide if you want to try and improve or not, rather than make outright false claims in an attempt to justify your whining.

Individual performance *absolutely* matters. You can literally look at the scoreboard and see that. Just because *your* individual performance leaves something to be desired doesn't mean it doesn't matter. But if you're going to decide that you don't want to try and improve, can you at least please stop whining?

[Issaella]

Individual performance *absolutely* matters. You can literally look at the scoreboard and see that...

Make your trolling even more obvious to stoke your own ego. This argument is absurd, of course people who enter in premades will top the scoreboard you rube. The scoreboard doesn't tell you group composition. Claiming scoreboard ranking is at all meaningful in terms of measuring individual performance when you have solo queues mixed in with premades and no way to distinguish them is hilariously dumb.

[Teno]

as of late 2023 I can say as a person that isn't into PVP its still awful.

I got hyperfixated on wanting that mount back in 2019, 4 1/2 years ago now and i'm still not really closer by any stretch.

32 wins now out of the 180 games which isn't a lot but several bouts of losing streaks in a row really takes it out of you even in a "Just 1 win every Onsal Hakair day would be enough right?" I'm on a 5 game losing streak today so far, felt like typing in here of hopes of excising this anxiety demon crawling up my spine. Many of my Hiatus' from FF14 have been related to me realizing Onsal Hakair is a thing, and that mount I can't have exists. and there I go torturing myself again.

try as I might. No amount of "Git Gud" toxicity is possible, I suck at pvp and don't enjoy it, but what choice do I have if I want that mount?
If that specific mount was obtainable by any other means i'd go for it in a heartbeat.

So what ? There are plenty of things that are locked behind hard or grindy things, it is what it is. If you don't enjoy it you've got a similar red mount for gil, which is a decent alternative.

[Issaella]

And we should believe that you solo queued because... you said so I take it? And that you didn't cherry pick this match too, right? Also it doesn't help your case that you are literally playing a meme spec that can annihilate people with impunity and then bail out. And it conveniently leaves out all the SMN/WHM/SCH job icons on your team I'm sure.