Frontline is Hot garbage.

[Saucy_Jack]

Guys, frontlines being a clown fiesta and players who know what they’re doing having noticeable influence over a match aren’t mutually exclusive things.

Yes battle highs, pings, lbs, etc… can sway a match, let’s not act like those things aren’t all in the game for individual players to have an influence. Small groups of premades determine matches all the time.

But let’s also not go around pretending like it’s not a clown fiesta when single players influencing the match is only a thing due to 80% of players in frontlines being clowns to begin with. The balance is an absolute mess, and chain cc is insanely obnoxious with that many players. The only reason that indefinite CC locks outside of purify aren’t a thing is because most players aren’t pressing buttons.

[Teno]

I very much look forward to a CC nerf, probably the biggest detriment to PvP at the moment.

[Sidamel]

Because currently they only balance for CC. Frontlines were by far better before the rework, not saying they were perfect but playable.

[Teno]

Despite the blatant imbalance and obnoxious CCs, I enjoy FL much more simply because there are so many possibilities now, and you can even play around your team comp. Yes there are less skilled players, but after a few games even an average summoner will know to LB on big nodes.

See a few big aoe jobs on your team but no tank ? Go Drk and group them all up, your mates will thank you (no they won't) for the sweet BH stacks.
Conversely, snow map with outer nodes and everyone mid ? Go red mage for the super good small scale kit because you can be sure it will be small skirmishes since few people tend to go there.
The list goes on and I find myself playing FL more than anything for the sheer variety of possibilities.

[LowIQ]

I find myself playing FL more than anything for the sheer variety of possibilities.

Pretty sure you could do the same thing before the revamp too. And you didn't have to battle against constant cc and random deaths because someone two screens away decided to click you.
We probably had even more possibilities back then since we actually had different roles instead of everyone being an LB bot dps.

[Teno]

Pretty sure you could do the same thing before the revamp too. And you didn't have to battle against constant cc and random deaths because someone two screens away decided to click you.
We probably had even more possibilities back then since we actually had different roles instead of everyone being an LB bot dps.

The possibilities were way more limited back then, and the top performers also picked the meta jobs (except the meta jobs feel much more different between each other now). I miss the subtleties of picking role-specific actions but the rest definitely feels bland in comparison to what we have now. There is a lot of imbalance, but tanks feel very different depending on the map, and the same for healers. That being said I also kind of miss being an unkillable whm tank with some pillars to play around.

Also constant CCs yes, please nerf. That would make the dmg spikes much more bearable.

[Mistress_Irika]

Not many people have the tolerance of getting dominated the entire match. A 1v1 format may be more fun, but you're inevitably just going to end up seeing more throws, afks, and giving up in general.

[D6Damager]

It often feels like the team with more SMN, MCH and WHM has the advantage sometimes. I still try as Scholar, but have yet to get decent dmg or healing numbers. If I get into range to use my abilities other than Seraph then I'm cc'd and carpet bombed almost instantly.

[Brill_]

Frontline isn't fun anymore, too much crowd control. Getting stun locked, heavy, imped and everything else while you get killed isn't fun. There needs to be diminishing returns on crowd control.

[Issaella]

I'm going to agree here, FL is miserable now. I despise this fast paced MOBA combat where everyone is a DPS to begin with so I have avoided CC. Frontline now is just nothing but deathball, SMN/WHM synching their LBs on every point, and PLD pre-mades invulning and letting their teammates cap points while taking no damage. I'm done with PvP entirely once I slog through my last 2 wins for the silver pony.

I used to try, used to shot-call, used to make an effort. Due to the easy ability to stack wombo-combos with a premade it doesn't matter anymore. I'll just min effort for my daily XP on the last job I'm leveling then never do PvP again.

EDIT: 1 more win. I used to look forward to daily FL on certain days (I'm one of the few who actually liked Shatter). Now all I look forward to is being done with the GARO mount achievements so I don't have to do it anymore. Good god, post-6.1 PvP sucks.