Can PVP ever be good in this game?

[Necrotica]

And I do not mean that as a bash. But the lack of responsiveness in this game makes proper pvp almost impossible. Like playing on permanent delay and having to spam skills to make sure they go off.

Just seems there is no way to make pvp good without redoing the game engine.

[Azuri]

What about turn-based?

[Risvertasashi]

You're correct. Working with their engine/network model as is, there are severe limitations on what they can do. Snapshotting will always have a significant impact, among other things.

[Iyrnwaen]

Really depends on what you mean by "proper" and "good".

It's never going to be some twitchy precision e-sport, if that's what you mean.

[Otorinth]

[] PVP
[] RPG
[] Balanced
Pick two.

[Ilisidi]

Really depends on what you mean by "proper" and "good".

It's never going to be some twitchy precision e-sport, if that's what you mean.

Which makes it accessible to more players.

[Lustre]

Not until the netcode improves. Highlights of this week, include me sniping somebody for full damage through guard, a single samurai taking out 4 people in one hit, me killing an invisible ninja with a Blast Charge. Firing an assembled chainsaw into the crystal and killing two people from 100% (although that's more of a balance issue). I still believe old pvp was more balanced than this. People always give healers pre 6.1 as an example of why it was unbalanced, but people forget rule no.1 in (usual) mmo pvp: kill the healer first. Besides, there wasnt multiple classes with one shot RNG limit breaks, and LB actually required some level of skill to use effectively. I miss CCing healers and blasting them with Terminal Velocity.

Taking into consideration GCD speed in this game, and the netcode, and sometimes the PVP feels turn based. WoW in nearly every aspect is inferior to XIV, but one area it completely stomps XIV in, is PVP. WoWs netcode is much more responsive, and the combat is snapper due to a shorter GCD. Not to mention PvP over there is more or less continually supported and looked at, as opposed to XIVs approach which is to forget about it completely until new content and then artificially populate the playlist with gimmicks, time limited rewards and systems. Over 100 days playtime, and I still havent ever been able to find a game of Rival Wings lol

[Anhra]

I think PvP is currently in a state that can be considered as good. It is by no means perfect, but it is in a playable state and every Job can make a meaningful difference in all avaiable PvP Modes.

[LowIQ]

I think PvP is currently in a state that can be considered as good. It is by no means perfect, but it is in a playable state and every Job can make a meaningful difference in all avaiable PvP Modes.

Meaningful difference means "press button, receive kill" gameplay?
The sad part is that this is probably how SE designed the new pvp. They wanted everyone to feel individually extra powerful just like in pve. Like the true Warriors of Light... of pvp.

You could make a difference in the old pvp too and that without making others feel miserable with stunlocks and oneshots.

Also, OP talks about responsiveness issues but the old pvp was very good in that regard. It was slow and lenient (long time to kill, almost no cc, etc) so the lack of responsiveness was much less of a problem compared to now where you die in microseconds because you couldn't guard / purify / use skill fast enough.

[Ransu]

Current version is probably as good as it will ever get.