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    Player Ransu's Avatar
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    Either enforce roles or remove them entirely

    Because this matchmaking is hot garbage and I'm tired of getting these wacked out teams where one side is loaded with burst and the other side is a bunch of support classes that can't kill anything. Like what is my team of a brd, blm, pld, sge, ast supposed to do against a whm, sge, drg, sam, nin?????

    If square wants this mode to work with no role enforcement then the concept of support/tank designs need to disappear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransu View Post
    Because this matchmaking is hot garbage and I'm tired of getting these wacked out teams where one side is loaded with burst and the other side is a bunch of support classes that can't kill anything. Like what is my team of a brd, blm, pld, sge, ast supposed to do against a whm, sge, drg, sam, nin?????

    If square wants this mode to work with no role enforcement then the concept of support/tank designs need to disappear.
    You should probably spend some time tinkering with all the jobs.
    That match-up could go either way, and the first team has the advantage if anything.
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    won with everythign not being the meta before and often in streaks as well, hot headed melee dps that just insist on following my bard around while I shoot a focused target is fun... turn park him again... kill the other one some more.

    Running off like that wont help your team, especially not when you are away from the crystal as well.
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    Roles are completely meaningless in PvP. You will have a easier time and less of a headache if you ignore the color each Job Symbol has, since every Job contributes differently to a Duel/CC/Frontline.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransu View Post
    Like what is my team of a brd, blm, pld, sge, ast supposed to do against a whm, sge, drg, sam, nin?????
    Click on them and kill them. The enemy team has no tank, so their melees will have to take some heat when stepping up, creating kill opportunities, or leave the ranged to get dived and instantly forced out. Split fights across the map and don't stand in Skyshatter.
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    Player Ransu's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iyrnwaen View Post
    You should probably spend some time tinkering with all the jobs.
    That match-up could go either way, and the first team has the advantage if anything.
    Sorry but no, this match goes one way and one way only. Pure melee vs a bunch of casters its extremely easy to overwhelm them,

    Quote Originally Posted by Anhra View Post
    Roles are completely meaningless in PvP. You will have a easier time and less of a headache if you ignore the color each Job Symbol has, since every Job contributes differently to a Duel/CC/Frontline.
    I felt this way when the mode was new, but its just blatantly false. Roles matter a lot and make a significant difference.
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    Last edited by Ransu; 05-08-2022 at 08:31 AM.

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    They copy overwatch (failed) pvp system yet they didn't even forced roles/team comp.

    Losing and getting less xp/other stuff because matchmaking put you into 100% lost match is horrible
    Like literally right now i am losing because it's tank x healer vs tank and 4 dps.

    Thank you SE for destroying sam and also making me feel wortheless in garbage pvp mode
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    Last edited by Stasya; 05-08-2022 at 08:43 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GayRobot View Post
    Click on them and kill them. The enemy team has no tank, so their melees will have to take some heat when stepping up, creating kill opportunities, or leave the ranged to get dived and instantly forced out. Split fights across the map and don't stand in Skyshatter.
    On top of that, the CC gap between the two teams is enormous, and the NIN is crippled by SGE DoT.
    This is frankly a match where the PLD just sits on the Crystal and holds W to win.
    The second team would have to hard dive and delete the AST inside a poly window to have a chance,
    and you're not going to get that level of coordination in a random group.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ransu View Post
    Sorry but no, this match goes one way and one way only. Pure melee vs a bunch of casters its extremely easy to overwhelm them,
    No, it doesn't. I'd be happy to see that matchup if I was the AST in this example.
    First team has loads of control and mobility, and they have a rallying point in the PLD.
    Second team displays an unusually high level of coordination for random DPS, or they lose.
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    Player Ransu's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iyrnwaen View Post
    On top of that, the CC gap between the two teams is enormous, and the NIN is crippled by SGE DoT.
    This is frankly a match where the PLD just sits on the Crystal and holds W to win.
    The second team would have to hard dive and delete the AST inside a poly window to have a chance,
    and you're not going to get that level of coordination in a random group.


    No, it doesn't. I'd be happy to see that matchup if I was the AST in this example.
    First team has loads of control and mobility, and they have a rallying point in the PLD.
    Second team displays an unusually high level of coordination for random DPS, or they lose.
    Yes it does. Its literally brain dead easy to dive into a team full of casters and kill them before they even finish a cast. Not to mention the differences in LB's. The nin in that match ended it with 12 kills.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransu View Post
    Yes it does. Its literally brain dead easy to dive into a team full of casters and kill them before they even finish a cast. Not to mention the differences in LB's. The nin in that match ended it with 12 kills.
    Has nothing to do with the comp and everything to do with the players.
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