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    GayRobot's Avatar
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    Dial-up Noises
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    Machinist Lv 90

    It's far too easy to rank up

    Derank protection at rank borders is dumb. Why should losses at Platinum 3 count against you, but losses at Platinum 4 are ignored?

    Streak bonus is dumb. Why should 3 losses followed by 3 wins be a net gain, but win-loss-win-loss-win-loss goes even? Why should consecutive wins net you bonuses, but consecutive losses do nothing?

    Right now, the system's extreme upward tendencies make it substantially less accurate. A loose correlation between winrate and rank means more frustrating matchmaking; if the game can't accurately assemble even teams, one side will stomp, one side will get rolled over, and 10 people are forced to sit through a largely uninteresting game.

    Treat every game the same, and let consistent winrate over time determine whether people rise or fall—not how long you're willing to grind until a streak shoves you over a rank border.
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    Okami Amaterasuu
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    Faerie
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    Paladin Lv 100
    I assume the streak bonus is just a makeshift solution to MMR in a similar vein to where in Overwatch if you lose a match but perform well you lose less SR compared to losing a match but playing poorly, giving skilled players more of a chance to move upwards even if they get a streak of bad teams
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    Makani Risvertasashi
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    Ultros
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    Also, any rank below crystal is essentially just training/prep for the real ranking system when you get to crystal - which has no streak bonus.
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    Iyrnwaen Aispyrthota
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    Excalibur
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    Astrologian Lv 90
    Agreed. Sooner or later, most of the population will be in Crystal, which defeats the purpose of having tiers in the first place. Crystal match quality has already diminished substantially in just the last few days.

    If they want people to take Ranked seriously, they're going to have to alter their approach.
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  5. #5
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    KageTokage's Avatar
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    Alijana Tumet
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    Ninja Lv 100
    The problem is there isn't any actual screening being done to ensure people are being matched against others of a relatively similar skill level.

    Ranking up to crystal is largely rolling the dice and praying your teammates are competent regardless of your own skill evel.
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    Velnora Pharetsu
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    Sargatanas
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    Anytime someone says this game "respects your time", I shall refer to this ranking/matching system.
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    Raistlin Majere
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    Ragnarok
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    Thaumaturge Lv 90
    You guys have no clue what u are talking about and not the dev team intention. Tiers are just a progression mechanism here, because is similar to LoL doesn't mean it have the same intention.

    The real ranking that you want is the Crystal Credit in the Crystal rank and is the same system as MMR in Dota2 ranking.

    If you want a LoL comparison, is like the leveling, everyone level up to max and then rank as a separate system. Call it tutorial, call it whatever you want. Moving through Tiers is not the competitive mode, getting higher Crystal Credit is the competitive mode.
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    Leih'to Molkoh
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    Zodiark
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    Gladiator Lv 100
    I think the opposite. Ranking is not too easy. It is too random.
    If you are on a win streak (which is really random in lower ranks, with people of varying skill levels), good for you.
    If you are on a lose streak, it just sucks IMO, as it doesn't say anything about your own skill level either, it is just about luck.
    I actually think it would be better to prevent you from losing stars if you are on a 3+ lose streak, instead of making you win 2 stars on a win streak.

    + I agree with Raistlin. Competitive starts in Crystal.
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    Iyrnwaen Aispyrthota
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velnora View Post
    Anytime someone says this game "respects your time", I shall refer to this ranking/matching system.
    How is this an example of the game not respecting your time? You get showered with rewards whether you win or lose.
    The only rewards you miss out on by playing casually or staying in Bronze are framer kits.
    This is like saying PotD doesn't respect your time because Necromancer is a huge time sink and not achievable by everyone.
    There are issues with the new PvP system, but this absurd anti-dev hyperbole doesn't help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raistlin View Post
    Moving through Tiers is not the competitive mode, getting higher Crystal Credit is the competitive mode.
    This seems silly. Why handicap the matchmaking system for such a wide range of players? There are already plenty of complaints from people who feel like they're trapped in their low rank because of teammate variance—they're wrong, of course, and a good amount of their stress is literally mad cuz bad, but the fact remains that they're not enjoying unpredictably stacked games. Who is this supposed to benefit?
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