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Thread: Mug Attack

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    Mug Attack

    The existence of a 60 second raid buff lead to more fun gameplay for people playing with a Ninja.
    Please consider swapping Trick and Mug attack so that Mug is the personal debuff and Trick is raid-wide. Nerf the numbers if you have to, but please stop making everything a 2 min cooldown.
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    While we're on the topic - it'd be great to have an actual replacement to Shadow Fang so that Dream Within A Dream no longer drifts. Furthermore, Assassinate is in the game, there's no reason for it to be unavailable past a certain level. The animation of it was really cool - please make it so that pressing Dream Within A Dream turns it into Assassinate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by butchersblock View Post
    The existence of a 60 second raid buff lead to more fun gameplay for people playing with a Ninja.
    Please consider swapping Trick and Mug attack so that Mug is the personal debuff and Trick is raid-wide. Nerf the numbers if you have to, but please stop making everything a 2 min cooldown.
    I just wish Mug had a cooler animation. A quick jab is boring. Bring back the old Sneak Attack for it and make Sneak Attack the personal booster. Or just merge the two into an Embolden type deal onto Sneak.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RArchet View Post
    I just wish Mug had a cooler animation. A quick jab is boring. Bring back the old Sneak Attack for it and make Sneak Attack the personal booster. Or just merge the two into an Embolden type deal onto Sneak.
    I can get behind wanting better animations but I think the gameplay perspective behind Mug/Trick is far more important, as a lot of people really enjoyed playing around a 60 second raid-wide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by butchersblock View Post
    The existence of a 60 second raid buff lead to more fun gameplay for people playing with a Ninja.
    Please consider swapping Trick and Mug attack so that Mug is the personal debuff and Trick is raid-wide. Nerf the numbers if you have to, but please stop making everything a 2 min cooldown.
    What does it matter to NIN, if the raid buff is active every minute or two? Their rotation is unchanged either way. I genuinely don't understand this.
    Why do you care if others deal more damage now or the next minute? You apply TA every minute anyway. What's the point?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EhvaTaco View Post
    What does it matter to NIN, if the raid buff is active every minute or two? Their rotation is unchanged either way. I genuinely don't understand this.
    Why do you care if others deal more damage now or the next minute? You apply TA every minute anyway. What's the point?
    The point is that I don't exclusively play Ninja. The existence of that 60 second raid buff made gameplay more fun for others. It gave an incentive to save resources and play smarter.
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    As a mch, with 1 minute queen windows, trick was nice, its a consistent buff thats always on when you need it. It was fun to play around.
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    The assassination loss made me really sad and pretty much ensured I would never return to the class. Literally one of the first early amazing awesome things I saw in the game was someone showing me what assassination looked like and me being amazed and thinking it was so cool and being excited to eventually use it myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by E-Zekiel View Post
    The assassination loss made me really sad and pretty much ensured I would never return to the class. Literally one of the first early amazing awesome things I saw in the game was someone showing me what assassination looked like and me being amazed and thinking it was so cool and being excited to eventually use it myself.
    I just don't understand the reasoning behind it. It's still in the game, why does it get replaced after reaching a certain level? You can't hide behind button bloat excuse because Dream Within A Dream and Assassinate can just share the same button.
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    Because they want to simplify every job into a single 2 minute buff window, rather than letting players experiment and giving certain jobs more synergy than others. Ninja was awesome to have in a party, it allowed jobs to shine that have trashy 2 minute skills whilst also rewarding the jobs that do have good 2 minute skills. It paired well with Mch and Smn. Since they have solid 1 minute windows. It was a nice thing that partys could play around and be rewarded for but instead, we have to have 2 minute boring burst windows because god forbid players have creativity and be rewarded for planning in end game content.
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