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    Quote Originally Posted by FrejaRachnea View Post
    There is nothing deviant, dangerous or perverted about people with masculine bodies in dresses, or with Hildibrand presenting as a woman
    It's not deviant for anyone cis or trans to wear clothing that expresses their gender identity. Or obfuscates it, if that's what they desire or require for comfort or safety. However, Hildibrand is not presenting as a woman. He is literally a man in a dress, wearing the dress for the express purpose of deceiving someone. Pointing out that that is deviant behavior is not inherently anti-trans.
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    It'd be nicer if the issue was approached with a bit more empathy and understanding rather than naturally drifting towards rules lawyering in order to explain why the joke is okay and not transphobic. Also, a large amount of the population says that all trans women are deviant men in dresses using deception to trick people into thinking they're women.

    I've seen a bunch of trans people upset and off-put by it, changing the dialogue up a bit to be more considerate could keep the same joke but without the uncomfortable implications, and would help the community feel at least a -bit- more supported in a game that is pretty barren in terms of representation for anyone that's not cisgender and heterosexual outside of the activities kept 'in the shadows'.

    Like, really? We can't even have a liiiiiiiiiiiiiitttle crumb? Do we have to write and publish papers explaining ourselves every time we want a bit of consideration? It's exhausting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FrejaRachnea View Post
    a large amount of the population says that all trans women are deviant men in dresses using deception to trick people into thinking they're women.
    Yes, and they're wrong. Trans women are just trying to go about their day and pee in the ladies' room in peace.

    But we're not talking about a trans woman right now. We're talking about Hildibrand, a man, putting on a dress to entrap someone. It's not "rules lawyering".
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