Making yet another post about this because of lazy devs

[Krotoan]

I also wouldnt necessarily call them lazy. I hate how we tend to easily overuse this word when the meaning isnt really applied here.

They're Just not focused on the things people been asking. They put a lot of time and effort on other parts of the game and should be commended but what most of the community wants is for them to apply that same level of dedication to things like Hrothgar hairs which folk have been waiting for a good while now.

THIS. This is my problem with people throwing around terms like lazy:

la·zy
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adjective
adjective: lazy; comparative adjective: lazier; superlative adjective: laziest

1.
unwilling to work or use energy.

They are expending a LOT of energy... on things that certain people don't want them to. The devs may be focusing on other things and possibly not believing the player base when they say they want something because it sounds so superfluous or counter intuitive (to them)... but they aren't sitting on their thumbs.


When you use a term like Lazy to describe them that doesn't apply you automatically put your complaint into the "no bearing on reality" pile. Japanese companies, and software companies in general do not run on "lazy". The people working there put in a LOT of effort to get things done, sometimes the "wrong" things.. but things.


Perhaps the word we're looking for here is misdirected? Failing?

Failing sounds right.

[Mirhd]

... People have already made the (inaccurate) claim, time and again, that we are "testing" the game for the devs because they "can't be bothered"... when FFXIV has some of the best QA I've seen in an MMO, as serious bugs rarely make it to live. Yes, rarely. The forums' personal bias towards making mountains out of ant hills is not reflective of reality, and even as someone who has never worked in game development, I can still see the difference between good QA and poor QA. People would still complain even if there was a PTR, and you all arguing in favor of a PTR know it.

I also don't care for it on a personal level, as the PTR in WoW ruined any sort of surprise; even if you avoided it yourself, chances are you would see/hear about the new content elsewhere and have it spoiled as a result. Not to mention people demanding unreasonable perfection during runs because "it was on PTR! you should have done it/looked into it!"... Well, excuse me for not wanting to spoil myself, I suppose? I love the dumpster fire runs that happen every time during the first week of a new patch here... everything is new to everyone, and we're all on the same playing field. Hilarity is inevitable.

A bug like the one the OP is complaining about actually would have a high probability of being missed on a PTR as well since it's specific to an interaction with a specific skill on 1 class that is only used in PvP which in itself isn't very widely used by players of the game. The FC mate that told me about it also said it might be specific to the PS4 platform as they've been told by other BRD players on PS5 and PC that they haven't experienced it and they play the game on PS4.

Yeah. It's physically impossible to catch everything (even serious bugs can't always be caught!), and it's honestly amazing that anyone still tries to argue otherwise...

People complaining about the lack of love for Hrothgar (or proper instanced housing...) etc., is fair. The devs are aren't lazy though, good grief. Anytime I see someone slinging that word around, I immediately think said person is simply incapable of seeing anything beyond their own desires... such as the OP. The more and more she/he post, the more I think OP needs to do some serious self reflection, but this is unlikely to ever happen...

... Japanese companies, and software companies in general do not run on "lazy"...

Yeeeeah... there's a reason Japan is known for its work culture... because of how unhealthy it is. I've heard it's been getting better, but for crying out loud... "lazy" is NOT a word I would use to describe the devs here. Tone deaf at times perhaps, but not "lazy".

[KizuyaKatogami]

... People have already made the (inaccurate) claim, time and again, that we are "testing" the game for the devs because they "can't be bothered"... when FFXIV has some of the best QA I've seen in an MMO, as serious bugs rarely make it to live. Yes, rarely. The forums' personal bias towards making mountains out of ant hills is not reflective of reality, and even as someone who has never worked in game development, I can still see the difference between good QA and poor QA. People would still complain even if there was a PTR, and you all arguing in favor of a PTR know it.

I also don't care for it on a personal level, as the PTR in WoW ruined any sort of surprise; even if you avoided it yourself, chances are you would see/hear about the new content elsewhere and have it spoiled as a result. Not to mention people demanding unreasonable perfection during runs because "it was on PTR! you should have done it/looked into it!"... Well, excuse me for not wanting to spoil myself, I suppose? I love the dumpster fire runs that happen every time during the first week of a new patch here... everything is new to everyone, and we're all on the same playing field. Hilarity is inevitable.



Yeah. It's physically impossible to catch everything (even serious bugs can't always be caught!), and it's honestly amazing that anyone still tries to argue otherwise...

People complaining about the lack of love for Hrothgar (or proper instanced housing...) etc., is fair. The devs are aren't lazy though, good grief. Anytime I see someone slinging that word around, I immediately think said person is simply incapable of seeing anything beyond their own desires... such as the OP. The more and more she/he post, the more I think OP needs to do some serious self reflection, but this is unlikely to ever happen...

How is it my own desire outside of the bard issue? I already have a house, the housing bug doesn’t affect me but it still deserves to be called out. As you can see i’m not a hrothgar, the hrothgar hairs don’t directly affect me but i’m still going to call it out. No offense, but i’m not going to take advice from someone wearing clown makeup lol, or from anyone on an online forum page where we know very little about each other irl. People trying to play forum psychologist though is fun to watch.Again, this isnt some minor bug. This is a bug that renders an entire job basically immobile in pvp. The point of the content is to have fun. Cant exactly have fun when im forced to rp walk out of spawn and im immediately killed because i cant run out.

[Atelier-Bagur]

How is it my own desire outside of the bard issue? I already have a house, the housing bug doesn’t affect me but it still deserves to be called out. As you can see i’m not a hrothgar, the hrothgar hairs don’t directly affect me but i’m still going to call it out. No offense, but i’m not going to take advice from someone wearing clown makeup lol, or from anyone on an online forum page where we know very little about each other irl. People trying to play forum psychologist though is fun to watch.Again, this isnt some minor bug. This is a bug that renders an entire job basically immobile in pvp. The point of the content is to have fun. Cant exactly have fun when im forced to rp walk out of spawn and im immediately killed because i cant run out.

this is so childish, its like saying I wont listen to you because you're a dirty second rate limited bunny boy race.

[KizuyaKatogami]

this is so childish, its like saying I wont listen to you because you're a dirty second rate limited bunny boy race.

I’m not the one playing forum psychologist and saying someone needs to do some “self-reflection.” Ironic coming from you though considering you’re a known sarcasm troll but whatever lol.

By all means though please keep bumping this thread. Its the whole point i created it. Hope theyll actually see it and do something about it rather than stay silent on the issue.

[Atelier-Bagur]

I’m not the one playing forum psychologist and saying someone needs to do some “self-reflection.” Ironic coming from you though considering you’re a known sarcasm troll but whatever lol.

By all means though please keep bumping this thread. Its the whole point i created it. Hope theyll actually see it and do something about it rather than stay silent on the issue.

Oh is this seriously my reputation here? Well ok, seems fair I guess.

[Moonsprite]

Honestly, this is forum cry wolf all the time. If you constantly cry wolf over everything, people will stop believing anything you say is a concern. It’s ok to post in other threads other people have created on topics you keep bringing up OP. Legitimate concerns are being overshadowed by the constant bombardment of micro threads about your hate against the developers.

[KuroMaboroshi]

I also don't care for it on a personal level, as the PTR in WoW ruined any sort of surprise; even if you avoided it yourself, chances are you would see/hear about the new content elsewhere and have it spoiled as a result.

This is why, though I am on principle not opposed to a PTR, it would have to be for mechanical features only. Sure, let people test PvP abilities, potency changes, etc.. But anything content-driven should be kept well out of it. No MSQ, no new raids. Let players test systems, but not content.

Which sounds rather unlikely to happen cause the dev team already doesn't like people pre-judinging their balancing decisions (hence why they keep it out of patch notes until the last possible moment) and it would force them to maintain a completely separate PTR branch of the game that would likely require extra effort to maintain.

[Knot_D]

You can say I'm helping you to bump the thread, but mostly I'm tired with your negativity on every post you make toward the devs, plus the suspiciously big upvote on your each complained posts...

Call me white knights but they still delivers what majority wants, those bugs on major release happens anyways...

[Jeeqbit]

... People have already made the (inaccurate) claim, time and again, that we are "testing" the game for the devs because they "can't be bothered"... when FFXIV has some of the best QA I've seen in an MMO, as serious bugs rarely make it to live. Yes, rarely. The forums' personal bias towards making mountains out of ant hills is not reflective of reality, and even as someone who has never worked in game development, I can still see the difference between good QA and poor QA.

I had never seen a single bug for myself in years of playing before covid. I forget where I saw this but I remember there were over 100 people testing the game to find bugs.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...9&d=1613761434

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post5507820