Making yet another post about this because of lazy devs

[KizuyaKatogami]

They said nothing of the sort (considering the stream was in Japanese), and they were looking at the niconico livechat monitors. You don't know what was being said on those at the time. But you can't presume any malice there.

? You act like translations don’t exist. People have already translated the stream. Also weird to assume that no one here can understand japanese lol. Considering it was right when they showed off the karen and 2b hair and they were laughing over the pretend the ears are there….yeah i’ll presume it lol. Maybe not malice persay as that’s a fairy harsh word, but lack of caring for sure.

[SomeRandomHuman]

Kicking, screaming, and throwing insults does nothing to help a problem. It just creates needless drama. If you find a bug, then report it in a civil way. name-calling never gets anything productive done.

[RitsukoSonoda]

On this one point, we actually agree. There's huge value to PTRs -- or even to having a select group of players who have access to early builds and a single test world, if doing a full PTR that works for all regions is problematic. (Like the Evocati with Star Citizen, for instance, much as I dislike that system.)

I know some people scoff and are like "oh, that's just outsourcing the testing" and I suppose you can look at it that way, but:

• Software QA in general -- and game development QA in particular -- is not well-suited to really thorough testing, given how it's usually handled.
• Live environments and development environments vary greatly in online gaming; a development server is handling a much lower load, and is thus far less likely to see errors like I/O bottlenecks or database locking race conditions. (See also: housing placards not receiving lottery data.)
• Players will generally try weird things you never imagined anyone would try. (Is it rational for someone to try hitting a wall 50 times in Elden Ring to see if it broke? Probably not really. Did someone do it anyway? Yep.)

Making a test realm that's wiped frequently (but lets you copy your real character over after a wipe, to ensure people can test endgame content and whatnot) and letting players loose on it really, definitively will help a team find bugs triggered in ways they'd never consider in order to put into a QA plan.

Mind you, even a PTR won't catch 100% of bugs; for instance, a PTR probably would also have a low load compared to a real live world, so even testing the housing lottery there might not have had the situation arise that prevented placards from receiving data, and still let that bug slip through. But even if it's not 100% of bugs, a PTR will absolutely catch more bugs than purely internal testing will, and finding any non-zero number of additional bugs -- yes, there can be huge value in that.

A bug like the one the OP is complaining about actually would have a high probability of being missed on a PTR as well since it's specific to an interaction with a specific skill on 1 class that is only used in PvP which in itself isn't very widely used by players of the game. The FC mate that told me about it also said it might be specific to the PS4 platform as they've been told by other BRD players on PS5 and PC that they haven't experienced it and they play the game on PS4.

[KizuyaKatogami]

A bug like the one the OP is complaining about actually would have a high probability of being missed on a PTR as well since it's specific to an interaction with a specific skill on 1 class that is only used in PvP which in itself isn't very widely used by players of the game. The FC mate that told me about it also said it might be specific to the PS4 platform as they've been told by other BRD players on PS5 and PC that they haven't experienced it and they play the game on PS4.

The specific skill is literally the main dps skill you use. You act as though said skill didn’t just come from a major rework of all the jobs. They should have tested each and every job for the new reworked pvp gameplay and modes. I don’t see how it could be missed. It can literally be replicated in less than 30 seconds by simply playing the job how it’s intended to be played and using your main dps ability.

Kicking, screaming, and throwing insults does nothing to help a problem. It just creates needless drama. If you find a bug, then report it in a civil way. name-calling never gets anything productive done.

Well clearly being nice and patient doesnt help either if we ask the healer mains and hrothgar players lmao.Those of which have been waiting for 6 and 3 years respectfully for their changes. And look what they get.

[Shibi]

? You act like translations don’t exist. People have already translated the stream. Also weird to assume that no one here can understand japanese lol.

I know Japanese. This is what he said, from the FFXIV translation discord.



He did NOT say

“just pretend they’re there.”

We need a PTR, but sheesh, don't twist their words.

[Kaurhz]

I know Japanese. This is what he said, from the FFXIV translation discord.

He did NOT say



We need a PTR, but sheesh, don't twist their words.

Simon Says is a popular game, after all.

[KizuyaKatogami]

I know Japanese. This is what he said, from the FFXIV translation discord.



He did NOT say



We need a PTR, but sheesh, don't twist their words.

Believe he said it at a latter point, but either way same issue. Again, they were laughing as they showed it off. It’s missing the point either way though, point is they’ve shown over and over now they’re lack of initiative and laziness. What am i supposed to say nicely? Please put some work and effort into your game? After 3 years of waiting can hrothgar players please not be given the short end of the stick time and time again? Politeness hasn’t gotten healers and hrothgar players anywhere, if anything it’s what’s made their problems be ignored. Maybe by causing an uproar they’ll actually be forced to do something about these issues. Either way, these bugs shouldn’t have happened. Both the housing issue and this show this patch clearly didn’t get as much testing done as h the past.

[Atelier-Bagur]

The problem is tone.

You come in here calling them lazy and inept. That doesn't make most people want to help you, or hope for your issue to be resolve.

The devs are NOT lazy, nor are they inept.

I also wouldnt necessarily call them lazy. I hate how we tend to easily overuse this word when the meaning isnt really applied here.

They're Just not focused on the things people been asking. They put a lot of time and effort on other parts of the game and should be commended but what most of the community wants is for them to apply that same level of dedication to things like Hrothgar hairs which folk have been waiting for a good while now.

[KizuyaKatogami]

I also wouldnt necessarily call them lazy. I hate how we tend to easily overuse this word when the meaning isnt really applied here.

They're Just not focused on the things people been asking. They put a lot of time and effort on other parts of the game and should be commended but what most of the community wants is for them to apply that same level of dedication to things like Hrothgar hairs which folk have been waiting for a good while now.

Not devoting time to testing for bugs is pretty lazy. Again, i could understand if this was some obscure bug, but it’s literally tied to bard’s main skill with a 100% replication rate. The housing issue is a whole other issue of however with the amount of bugs like the crystal moving backwards in pvp, whm cure 2 bug, this bard bug etc. It truly does seem like something is wrong with the testing team.

[KageTokage]

I'd like to hope they'll address most/all of the PvP bugs as well as some glaring balance issues (WHM's LB should not charge so quickly, nor should its CC be unremovable) in the coming patch for ultimate's release.

If not, then I don't have much faith that PvP is going to be a good experience in the long term.