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    How many times do we have to state this answer. The answer is no, it will always be no, and the Z stands for Zeta (and is a Gundam Reference). Some Eastern European conflict (That is far from the first and won't be the last, by the way) is no reason to ban an entire letter from general usage. It was also created before the current war and has no association with said war, direct or otherwise, ergo there is no need to remove it even if the devs cared about a conflict that is a third of the world away from them. As for the actual usage of it, it'd be akin to banning a <Ranger> title because a division of the U.S. army is called the Rangers.
    And if its being used by protestors against the conflict itself, as ICF0 says, I say that's a reason to keep it around, rather than ban it.
    Now stop using god knows how many alts to repost this question every time your thread gets deleted, OP. What is this, the tenth thread on this subject?
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    Edit on 22 April to get the fact further up the page: When first writing this I had skimmed over the fact that post #3 described the whole thing back-to-front and has set the tone of everything that followed. The conversation seemed a bit off but I didn't realise why.

    So, to be clear:

    The Z is being used as a symbol of support for Russia's invasion of Ukraine. Not by anti-war protestors. That is why people are uncomfortable about it being in the game despite it long predating this unfortunate new use.

    That is what I was writing from in this post, in contrast to the preceding posts reacting to the incorrect version of what it represented.

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    Original post on 21 April:

    Context for those who have missed it in the news:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z_(military_symbol)


    Quote Originally Posted by Laphicet View Post
    ...no reason to ban an entire letter from general usage.
    Aside of the overly dismissive attitude you're taking to the conflict itself, this part of your statement is misrepresenting what is being asked for in this context. It's not about removing the letter from general usage at all, but about removing it from this very specific usage as a standalone letter that can be worn on your character as a sort of badge.

    While I am not certain if this particular OP is serious, note that they are asking to alter it to triple-Z so it's not even a matter of asking for the letter to be banned. Other requests have suggested Zeta as an alternative, which I think makes more sense as a link to the achievement anyway, and again does not actually remove the letter.

    I am in two minds as to whether changing the title would be a good idea. There's some merit in the argument that shying away from using Z in other contexts is just reinforcing the pro-Russians' claim on it, but also in not wanting to keep something that has become a pro-war symbol. But then perhaps making a fuss over it does more harm than good, and the safest approach is to just not alter it when it was created independently.

    Edit to add, because I missed saying it as I figured out how to best word things: I think my personal preference would be changing it to Zeta, but I can see why SE potentially wouldn't want to make a big deal of it.
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