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  1. #11
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by MellowMink View Post
    I truly don’t get why Square Enix hasn’t changed more 1-2-3 combos to share single buttons; they already had that in older PvP job design, and Gunbreaker already had this quality-of-life update with regards to a higher-level combo that’s done with Continuation, so why stop there? Seems a lot better than removing entire actions like a certain Samurai action that lots of players liked to use.
    While a solution to most jobs, MNK would be the outliner here because their rotation isn't a standard 1-2-3 combo and then we throw in Perfect Balance and there's no hope of a compression system works with them, at least not without another rework.
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  2. #12
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    Seraphor Vhinasch
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Er... we've "been approaching" button bloat for the past 3 expansions, and every single time they delete a few moves to make room for new ones.
    Nothing is going to change.
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  3. #13
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    Lil Imp
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    Goblin
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    Paladin Lv 100
    I'm fairly certain they have an internally defined limit to how many hotkeys each job should have, and actively prune abilities to stay within that limit.

    1-2-3 combos and the general number of skills are a core part of the games gameplay feel for me. I'd rather not see jobs go the way of healers and end up spamming 1 button 90% of the time.
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  4. #14
    Player Seraphor's Avatar
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    Seraphor Vhinasch
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    Zodiark
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by MellowMink View Post
    I truly don’t get why Square Enix hasn’t changed more 1-2-3 combos to share single buttons; they already had that in older PvP job design, and Gunbreaker already had this quality-of-life update with regards to a higher-level combo that’s done with Continuation, so why stop there? Seems a lot better than removing entire actions like a certain Samurai action that lots of players liked to use.
    Because it would only apply to a handful of jobs that don't all need it.

    Tanks: Usually have mitigation effects and gauge generation tied to them that you want to keep track of. For example, hitting 1-2-[gauge spender]-3 to avoid overcapping. They also have few DPS skills anyway, so they don't generally want to lose them, otherwise they'd end up like Healers spamming the same button 90% of the time.

    Monk: Literally cannot condense it's skills as it has a 'free form' function where you can hit any skill you like out of order. Needs all weaponskills available as separate buttons to achieve this.

    Ninja: Heavy burst phase, outside of that burst it only has the 1-2-3 to keep it busy, see Tanks/Healers.

    Casters: no combos

    Phys ranged: Each have a unique combo system that actually make them unique to play. Machinist being the most straightforward, but then runs into the same issue as Ninja/Tanks/Healers.

    Dragoon: Has a very long combo system that you need to keep track of, and already condenses a few of it's less situational buttons. If you condense this even more you'd need to remove effects like Disembowel and Chaos Thrust, instead spreading that dps across the entire combo, and remove positionals, as you can't be sure what skill you're going to hit next unless you're constantly counting in your head. At that point, you may as well just have a single button to spam in between Jumps.

    Samurai: conditional combo trees, could potentially be reduced to 3 buttons, but again like the Tank issue of generating gauge with the combo finishers, and the Dragoon issue of apply buffs on the 2's, you'd need to be very careful of what button you're hitting when, and constantly watching your hotbars. I don't see this being viable either.

    Reaper: 1-2-3 skills are all functionally identical besides their potency. Hooray! This one can be easily condensed to a single button.
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  5. #15
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    Qynden Peltier
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphor View Post
    Casters: no combos
    Red Mage /10char
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  6. #16
    Player Seraphor's Avatar
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    Seraphor Vhinasch
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cithaerias_pyropina View Post
    Red Mage /10char
    Those aren't combo's, that's a proc system.
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    Angrypillow Duvall
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    Quote Originally Posted by Puremallace View Post
    So I am not sure people noticed
    That's hilarious.
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  8. #18
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    Warrior Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphor View Post
    Those aren't combo's, that's a proc system.
    E.Riposte, E.Zwerchhau and E.Redoublement would like a word with you.
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  9. #19
    Player Seraphor's Avatar
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    Seraphor Vhinasch
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    Zodiark
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Cithaerias_pyropina View Post
    E.Riposte, E.Zwerchhau and E.Redoublement would like a word with you.
    Oh that, yeah that could be condensed. Didn't even occur to me because it's a burst skill.
    However, you then only have two melee skills for RDM, that I'm sure RDM players will complain about.
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  10. #20
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    Ikara Graydancer
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    Midgardsormr
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    Dancer Lv 80
    Eventually our bars will be as bare as the pvp ones and folks will complain about simplicity.
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