WoW introduced a Dragon race in their game. Yoshi-P, please...

[Kolsykol]

How dare you! [/slap]

True tho, are dragons really THAT exciting?
Or are they just more approachable to people who don't rly like fantasy?

There's a reason why they revolved Game of Thrones so much around them in the show when their stated mission was to make the show for '' soccer moms and football players '', but cut most of the magic and other fantasy creatures.

[Thaciscokidd]

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Who would it hurt if Dragoons got a 20s Hybrid transformation? It isn't like we haven't been effected by dragon magic before. And we still gotta go to Meracydia and current story track could give us access to some eyes, so we could get a story reasons for said tranformation.

[Kranel_San]

Can we get a Dragon transformation for Dragoon, PLEEEEEEASE!?

If Estinien could do it while possessed by Nidhogg, then why not make a similar transform for the Dragoon job!

Edit: I meant an transformation equivalent to the Heretics in Heavensward transforming into dragons, not a full on WoW equivalent Dragon race-like transformation. xD



Ooh! This would be PERFECT for Dragoon right now, considering our relationship with the dragons!!!

As others noted. The issue isn't in adding new races but rather in SE incapability to introduce and support a new race. Three years old races are still incapable of wearing hats and having proper hairstyles which is something that never happened to any new race in any MMO. Even with WoW devs and Blizzard being infamous regarding how lazy they're, when they added not two, not four, but six new races they all had full support that nothing felt lacking in comparison to Vieras and Horths.
Would I love to see FFXIV receiving a new race? I do
Do I trust SE in pulling that? Not at all.

[Kolsykol]

As others noted. The issue isn't in adding new races but rather in SE incapability to introduce and support a new race. Three years old races are still incapable of wearing hats and having proper hairstyles which is something that never happened to any new race in any MMO. Even with WoW devs and Blizzard being infamous regarding how lazy they're, when they added not two, not four, but six new races they all had full support that nothing felt lacking in comparison to Vieras and Horths.
Would I love to see FFXIV receiving a new race? I do
Do I trust SE in pulling that? Not at all.

Wow uses an automated system that stretches and scales gear while FFXIV doesn't, it's way easier but also looks worse in WoW for bigger races.
In FFXIV it's customized which looks better but makes this stuff less straight-forward and brings a higher workload.
I am not gonna go on too much about this because people are gonna feel what they do about it, it was the same with the housing and people ranting about it without even understanding what the actual problem even was.
But I don't think it's fair to compare FFXIV and WoW so directly in this regard, WoW for example actually has issues with implementing housing because it's super hard for them to implement the ability to place and move around items.
It's not that they don't want to or haven't thought about it, it's just that how the game was and is designed makes it way harder than people think.
Both games have unique problems and advantages.

The headgear mods you see in FFXIV also pale in comparison to the workload that implementing it fully would entail and it's also not server side, modders don't have to worry about the same things that the actual devs do and about breaking the game.
If they implemented it like modders did successfully too then people would be happy at first but then people would start complaining about clipping people shift very quickly.
Then there's also the graphical updates coming, which I have to imagine have been planned for a long time now.
What's the point in putting all of that work in on around 2000 head pieces when you're going to update them to begin with later?
I still think that they're doing it for the graphical update, it'd be more practical and make a whole lot more sense and be less of a wasted effort.

Devs aren't lazy I really wish people would stop with that bullshit narrative, game devs work incredibly and it's way more difficult and complicated than people seem to think.
And most of the time people don't even understand what the problem is and why things aren't so straight-forward, and even when they come out and explain the issue people still just keep saying the same thing it's like talking to a wall.

Edit: Not to mention that it's 2000 head pieces for every race, gender and different ear models and hair etc.
The shere level of work and difficulties involved isn't comparable at all to something like WoW and how it works there, I think people really underestimate how much work implementing it fully would actually be.
And much the same the WoW devs face similar problems with other features themselves too.

[Syln]

I actually like the way the dragon form looks. The human form looks terrible though.

Agree, look like a worse version of au ra, then again if it work like worgen you won't see it ever unless you chose to.

[Tsiron]

Not sure in what way Au Ra are better quite frankly (besides having a tail, underwhelming as it is). Is it just the "female Au Ra are cute, tiny waifus" thing again..?

The "human" form of WoW's new dragon race actually fixes a lot of the issues I've had with Au Ra:
- ... okay the faces are kind of uncanny in both cases
- they have ears and horns (which just makes more sense I think), the latter of which they can choose independent of face type. I'd go as far as to wager the only reason Au Ra are the way they are is because the devs wanted to, no matter the cost, avoid the problem they're having with Viera ears right now;
- women aren't half the size of the men;
- their scales are laid out in a fairly naturalistic manner, not as weird misshapen blobs, on top of which there's the ability to change their colour and (probably?) pattern, too;

If they'd had tails (and weren't in an entirely different game I've never played and seemingly implemented in kind of a terrible way) I would probably like them more than Au Ra, personally

[SturmChurro]

A dragon race no (we have au ra anyway), but a dragon form similar to reaper form? I don't see why that can't be included into a job skill one day.

As for the WoW race, I actually liked the female humanoid variants. If I was to try Dragonflight one day I'd probably make an evoker. I mean, obviously, I'd be one to like that race.

[Retrisar]

I spoke with a private server developer some years ago. He said, that Blizzard recycles almost everything what is in the game many times. They have some sets of legs (if it is a dress then they replace the legs with a generic dress model), chests, arms per race and gender. And then they combine it and there are some hundreds of combinations possible as a result. The very majority of the items is made with those prebuild assets. Truely unique items are not very common.

And the WoW engine supports bump mapping. Combined with transparency effects it can look very 3D-ish, even if it is a 2D texture.

And yes, many textures and pieces of gear look better than the FF14 counterparts because the textures have a higher resolution. Why the FF14 game designers still produce low-res textures, i do not know. I guess, it is a management decision. The FF14 engine can handle high-res textures without problems.


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So i think he just doesn't know what he's saying Unlike like FFXIV sets , they doesn't recycle them that much . They added now in Timewalking event recolour of armours , but overall all sets are always unique - even dungeon one .

They always got nice art and music ingame design . System for gameplays... not so much.

[Lauront]

Honestly, even if I think it looks a bit 'off' I have to give credit where credit is due. It's an interesting angle to go for as far as playable races are concerned. I haven't played in years, though when I did I had a Worgen character as an alt. The ability to shapeshift between a human and werewolf form was pretty cool and I've love to see something like that implemented in FFXIV someday.

I won't hold my breath, though.

You would if you were a dragon, or things might get scorched, or worse!

As always, I like the racial flavour WoW has going for its races, and it sounds like (yet again) they're going back to basics with class design, but I'll be (pleasantly) surprised if they turn things around.

[Bearded]

I highly doubt there will be any new races in FFXIV as we can all see they are not really able to accommodate new races fully. Better they work in providing proper support for all races to change hairstyles etc. rather than introduce yet more to compound the issue.

That said - at least you can switch races easy in FFXIV. In WoW they are gated behind some pointless alliance grind.