Garo Glam - no Viera support

[SherlottaEryut]

Limitations during events are not ideal, but there are some occasions where SE can compromise. Very recently we got a little crown that we can wear and it looks very cute.

But when we are unable to wear certain headgear, which is very often, it suuuuucks. For example, the new PVP helmet… The fact we’re unable to wear it really de-motivated me in working towards getting it, because the headgear just completes the look. Hrothgar on the other hand are able to wear it, but it changes their face shape entirely and makes it more human-like? It’s strange.

We can only hope SE find a nice compromise for both of the limited races, because with each event I do get envious when I see other races wearing something I’m unable to.

[Midareyukki]

I wonder if the "PS" including Hrothgars into the topic was added later, due to the edit that was made.
If so, I just find it funny how many Viera people bring up Viera problems and then just add Hrothgar as an after thought at the end.

I remember just a few hours ago making two posts in the Hairstyle thread explaining to people that Viera and Hrothgar being on the same boat does not mean they have the same hierarchy.

I kept being told to please consider that Vieras were indeed also poorly handled by the devs. When in reality I didn't just mean dev treatment (which has been shoddier to Hrothgar to begin with), but the community's interactions about the topic as well. Where Hrothgar never fully appear in the discourse and attentions befall solely on Viera.

Gee. I wonder where I may have hallucinated that...

-_- seriously guys, I get that Viera have it bad, but jeez... Then you guys wonder why it keeps sounding like a race war. It's a race war because no one ever thinks about us, and then crap like the hairstyles happens and everyone pikachu-faces while we just sigh and point out we were seeing it coming.

Don’t look too much into it.

We don't want to. And I fully understand that you didn't really know whether Hrothgar would work with this gear or not. Being a Viera player yourself, you only know about your experience. So really, we do get it.

But please, understand how much of a sour taste it leaves... This has been our treatment for three years, and it's still ongoing. So it always feels like we're never given a second thought. Could always just ask a Hrothgar you may know if the gear fits or not. That would show we are indeed on the same boat.

Still. Yeah, headgear still not fitting our races. Hell, Hrothgar look god-awful with the monocles, because it's not even attached to our faces. It just kinda hovers there awkwardly!! Even event gear often doesn't fit Viera and Hrothgar... Like, why even bother adding stuff in in the first place at this point?

[Evergrey]

I wanted to add, that I am aware that they have the same problem with participating in the Garo event fun glam stuff. :c
And I wanted to ask, how people think about the limited possibility of 'Event activities' in terms of glamour for those races.

But: At least it's much more a problem for the Devs to adjust things for Hroth because of their totally differnt headshape and -structure.
That's why in general it maybe would make more sense to talk about that 2 things in different topics, I guess.
It seems like for Viera it's just a question of 'smaler' adjustments to add things.
For Hroth it seems like it is some kind of 'rework of their complete headstructure' and so on. (if I got Yoshi P. right)

But at least, I wanted to ask about thoughts in terms of the limitations during events, like Garo atm.
And this is indeed same for Viera and Hrothgar. So I added Hroth, yes.

Yeah.
I didn't mean to sound critical or anything.
Like I mentioned, it's juts something that's been on my mind and just finally slipped out.

It's true that Hrothgars have a very unique shape and is for that reason like you said, something different to work with.
I've noticed tho that a bunch of full helmets simply keeps their original shape, completely removing Hrothgars design.
Also shrinks the head many times.
(Looks hilarious with a big bulky armor and a tiny helmet tho)
So I guess that's one way to solve that problem. ./shrug

For Viera it's the ears that's the problem iirc.
How the ears clips through a lot of headgear looked very displeasing so they just decided to not let them wear it.
Clipping has been a common cause of why SE might've not added stuff.
And they seem pretty firm on that regard.
And yes, I can agree that some headgear would looks kind of weird with the adornments and big bunny ears out of nowhere clip through it.
At least Miqo'te got some "horns" on the helmets so the ears can stay inside.


Elder Scrolls Online does a good job with head gear among Humanoid races and Beast races.
The same helmet for a human will change shape to fit the different races.
(not all but many)

Pics of clear examples just to show.
(I hid them so they won't take up so much room)

I think it would been great if more games did this.

GW2 have their racial armor sets as well.
But was years ago so not sure if they've kept adding armor tailored around the frames of different races or not.
I just remember that a lot of pieces didn't fit well/look good in Charr.

[SturmChurro]

I wonder if the "PS" including Hrothgars into the topic was added later, due to the edit that was made.
If so, I just find it funny how many Viera people bring up Viera problems and then just add Hrothgar as an after thought at the end.

Is the OP playing a hrothgar? Maybe they don't or didn't have knowledge if hrothgar could use the headgear or not? More often than not, neither can use them, but often times hrothgar can use headgear that viera can't use. I'm not sure why lately, many hrothgar players seem to now be taking out their frustrations on viera players.

[Midareyukki]

Is the OP playing a hrothgar? Maybe they don't or didn't have knowledge if hrothgar could use the headgear or not? More often than not, neither can use them, but often times hrothgar can use headgear that viera can't use. I'm not sure why lately, many hrothgar players seem to now be taking out their frustrations on viera players.

If you're not sure, re-read what I posted, I'm sure it will be most enlightening. In fact, I even proposed an alternative to "Is the OP playing a hrothgar? Maybe they don't or didn't have knowledge". If you don't get it still and want a tldr: it's exhasperation, really.

Still, not wanting to harp on OP any longer because at the end of the day it really wasn't their fault and the matter is trivial, it does seem we CAN wear the Garo gear, but it's not fitting our head at all. Especially not the monocles\eyepatches things. They're hovering massively past our eye. Not even people who wear glasses wear them that far out.

Edit: Post in question about why Hrothgar players feel some level of animosity due to the differences in attention given to one race over another here, with clarifications on the following page.
Again. No hate on Viera. It really does boil down to "Hrothgars are never spoken of when these topics arise, which makes us feel left out, and in turn, makes Square Enix think it's okay to treat us poorly".

[Evergrey]

Is the OP playing a hrothgar? Maybe they don't or didn't have knowledge if hrothgar could use the headgear or not? More often than not, neither can use them, but often times hrothgar can use headgear that viera can't use. I'm not sure why lately, many hrothgar players seem to now be taking out their frustrations on viera players.

Well I thought so even when I wasn't playing a Hrothgar.
And true, Hrothgars can wear some that Viera can't.
And perhaps vice versa as well, can't really say since I haven't played Viera.

But regardless of that, it's a fact that both races share limitations.
But mostly the attention is focused on Viera.
Why not, when bringing up headgear/hairstyle limitations, include both races that share said limitations?
It's just something that's been boggling me for some time now.

Well, I don't want to de-rail the topic any further.
It slipped out of me, that's all.

Edit:
Oh, I forgot.
I think the reason more Hrothgars are speaking up now is because ever since 2019, when Shadowbringer released, they were finally gonna get their first addition of new hairstyles.
And what happened, it was a simple copy+paste, removing the ears with it.
Imagine if Viera's ears were cut off when they got older hairstyles added.
So I understand that after so long and get this they finally start speaking up.

[SherlottaEryut]

But please, understand how much of a sour taste it leaves... This has been our treatment for three years, and it's still ongoing. So it always feels like we're never given a second thought. Could always just ask a Hrothgar you may know if the gear fits or not. That would show we are indeed on the same boat

I’ll answer this, and then I’ll leave it at that because majority of your post had little to do with the OP’s question and I feel bad for them.

We do understand the Hrothgar’s issue, I can’t stress that enough and it bothers me when players keep giving off a Viera vs Hrothgar mindset. When Hrothgar’s hairstyles were shown off, me along with many others were incredibly forward and honest with how atrocious these hairstyles were. People who don’t play Hrothgar, and the Viera players both spoke up and demanded higher standards for Hrothgar mains. This was a group effort, that we all accomplished together.. Not just Hrothgars.

A thread on the forums has gone viral and grabbed the attention of both moderators and developers. There has been media reports and articles about the outrage. The unfairness of Hrothgar has been a subject on the forums and amongst the most popular FF streamers… I’m not sure why Viera talking about their issue makes you feel like a second thought, when Hrothgar have been a hot topic for 3 weeks straight, and it doesn’t look like it’s going to go away anytime soon.

We were both brought in as severely restricted races, who can’t wear headgear and we’re unable to wear most in-game hairstyles for 3 years. And I’ll say it again, *we know you have it worse, but it does not mean Viera should feel better about our limitations*

The person we should be turning on is SE. They promised us race exclusive hair in 2019, they decided to flake out on delivering what they promised 3 years ago.

[Evergrey]

Limitations during events are not ideal, but there are some occasions where SE can compromise. Very recently we got a little crown that we can wear and it looks very cute.

But when we are unable to wear certain headgear, which is very often, it suuuuucks. For example, the new PVP helmet… The fact we’re unable to wear it really de-motivated me in working towards getting it, because the headgear just completes the look. Hrothgar on the other hand are able to wear it, but it changes their face shape entirely and makes it more human-like? It’s strange.

We can only hope SE find a nice compromise for both of the limited races, because with each event I do get envious when I see other races wearing something I’m unable to.

In a previous post I made I mentioned how ESO alters the shape of the headgear depending on what race uses it to make them fit better.
I think FFXIV, especially now with a beast race would benefit from that.
And it would also make it possible to visually alter helmets slightly to make it so the Viera ears wouldn't have to clip through some ornaments or whats-not.

I'm not against the idea of adding unique racial gear either.
Gear tailored around specific races.
Sure, they wouldn't be many and most gear would still show limitations.
But at least tailored racial gear is made to fit.
And perhaps add more to each races cultural styles, or not depending on how they wanna do it.

[Midareyukki]

I’ll answer this, and then I’ll leave it at that because majority of your post had little to do with the OP’s question and I feel bad for them.

We do understand the Hrothgar’s issue, I can’t stress that enough and it bothers me when players keep giving off a Viera vs Hrothgar mindset. When Hrothgar’s hairstyles were shown off, me along with many others were incredibly forward and honest with how atrocious these hairstyles were. People who don’t play Hrothgar, and the Viera players both spoke up and demanded higher standards for Hrothgar mains. This was a group effort, that we all accomplished together.. Not just Hrothgars.

A thread on the forums has gone viral and grabbed the attention of both moderators and developers. There has been media reports and articles about the outrage. The unfairness of Hrothgar has been a subject on the forums and amongst the most popular FF streamers… I’m not sure why Viera talking about their issue makes you feel like a second thought, when Hrothgar have been a hot topic for 3 weeks straight, and it doesn’t look like it’s going to go away anytime soon.

We were both brought in as severely restricted races, who can’t wear headgear and we’re unable to wear most in-game hairstyles for 3 years. And I’ll say it again, *we know you have it worse, but it does not mean Viera should feel better about our limitations*

The person we should be turning on is SE. They promised us race exclusive hair in 2019, they decided to flake out on delivering what they promised 3 years ago.

3 straight weeks doesn't make it 3 years. The reason we've been a hot topic is specifically because we've had nothing at all, didn't even get any recognition, and suddenly the little we did have was poor quality. That's where the sentiment comes from. Meanwhile, the whole community talks about Vieras, people even pushed the dev team hard for male ones, and they speak first and foremost for you guys.

And yeah. I'm just explaining why it feels bitter Otherwise, as I said in all those posts: SE is the problem. The rest is just player understanding

[MsMisato]

Hey guys!

As the title says, it's about that Viera can't be part of the Garo-glam-gang, because they can't wear the fullhelmets of this sets. Without the helmets the Garo-glam just looks really weird/incomplete and it feels like, Viera just can't take part in that fun stuff.

For me this feels really sad. What do you guys think about this?

Greetings :3

PS: Ofc the same is with Hrothgar

after 3 years I gave up on headgear support. SE really does not care about that stuff.