Is there any thought that goes into Sage using Kardion on themself?

[Qeilos]

Is Kardia on a GCD then that breaks combos or something?

I dont think it matters. WHM isnt a healer to help you, AST isnt a healer to help you, SGE isnt a healer to help, SCH isnt a healer to help you. The best way to approach these games is your survivability is 100% your own responsibility and noone elses regardless whos in the game. WHM is frankly a better BLM than BLM is and I view them as such when I load in.

[benwithvees]

I dont think it matters. WHM isnt a healer to help you, AST isnt a healer to help you, SGE isnt a healer to help, SCH isnt a healer to help you. The best way to approach these games is your survivability is 100% your own responsibility and noone elses regardless whos in the game. WHM is frankly a better BLM than BLM is and I view them as such when I load in.

WHM is definitely a healer to help, what? I understand you need to survive on your own but why are you queueing these utility roles if not to be utility? And how would that not matter? If Kardion is OGCD with 0 CD then that matters. If it isn't then i would see why it would be difficult to apply Kardion on others.

[IDontPetLalas]

WHM is definitely a healer to help, what? I understand you need to survive on your own but why are you queueing these utility roles if not to be utility? And how would that not matter? If Kardion is OGCD with 0 CD then that matters. If it isn't then i would see why it would be difficult to apply Kardion on others.

You just said that you understood that you need to survive on your own. That is what a sage is doing in CC by applying Kardion to themselves, unless they note that there is someone else around who will actually protect them and then it is worthwhile to put it on that person who is peeling or covering for them. Otherwise no, i would say it isn't going to be used as per PVE - it's better for the SGE to keep themselves up and not distract themselves throwing a relatively small heal in switching so they can use their better utility skills, or their not inconsiderable DPS, which is of more benefit.

[benwithvees]

You just said that you understood that you need to survive on your own. That is what a sage is doing in CC by applying Kardion to themselves, unless they note that there is someone else around who will actually protect them and then it is worthwhile to put it on that person who is peeling or covering for them. Otherwise no, i would say it isn't going to be used as per PVE - it's better for the SGE to keep themselves up and not distract themselves throwing a relatively small heal in switching so they can use their better utility skills, or their not inconsiderable DPS, which is of more benefit.

So then what I'm gathering from this thread then is SGE is just bad and would rather have WHM or any other DPS that's not BLM

[Brownondorf]

So then what I'm gathering from this thread then is SGE is just bad and would rather have WHM or any other DPS that's not BLM

SGE is not bad. It's not great either, it's almost balanced except for the issue with having to reapply kardia constantly even on YOURSELF, and it's LB is kinda underwhelming on top of being instantly cancelled if the WHM turn you into a kappa.
But it's damage output is crazy, Pneuma actually does give a shield to all the teammates around you, and you can constantly apply a 10% damage debuff on ennemies with Toxicon.
I was struggling to climb the ranks with Machinist, swapped to SGE and made it to CRYSTAL rank.
Don't understimate the SGE. It's not overpowered, it's not underpowered, it's pretty much in the middle. It's playable and you can rank up with it.

[Tobias_Azuryon]

So then what I'm gathering from this thread then is SGE is just bad and would rather have WHM or any other DPS that's not BLM

SGE isn't bad, but out of the healers it's the most NON-Healer out of the kits. Me not using Kardia on a tank that keeps kamikaze'ing into 1v5 doesn't mean I'm not doing my utility, it means I'm not going to waste my own sustain on someone who keeps dying. Very often I will kardia beefy dps like DRGs and SAMs to help them mow people down. I'm just saying if it comes down to me and one other dps or even just the tank and things start to go south I'm obviously going to try to keep myself alive lol. I'd be stupid not to.

SGE is a ranged barrier assassin, which is neat, but when you stack it up against something like WHM underperforms (SGE is still my main in pvp and I usually do top or second dps)

it's LB is kinda underwhelming on top of being instantly cancelled if the WHM turn you into a kappa

Its LB is a joke to be honest. It's a bad DoTon that kind of protects you in niche circumstances but without any mitigation/dps buff/heal buff/etc it just becomes a meat grinder where everyone just walks into the circle and destroys you anyways.

It CAN grief and cause people to think twice or protect you, but more often than not due it being not only ground targeting but server ping on top of a cast, I have to be hella far away to cast it and I have to be inside to gain its benefits, putting SGE in melee range where they do NOT want to be for a long time without Pnuema/party mates.

When WHM gets an instant Pnuema Cast with mitigation + regen + heal buff + dps buff AND gets it more often it's kinda like "oh." I've gotten "good" with SGE I think and can kill people but any class that doesn't have CC right now might as well go home at higher ranks.

It's really telling when WHM's LB is literally a better Pnuema that can be cast instantly and without warning and has better effects tacked on.

SGE has the lowest HP in PvP along with a tool that encourages them to be in melee (Phlegma).

Yeah this is what kinda makes them like a weird assassin healer too.

Normally what I do is I start the match with Kardia on a tank or DRG/SAM, get los to cast e dosis once to put a shield on them, and then toxicon whatever is getting burst the hardest between dosis until I can zoom in for the kill.

I won't say the healing is "nonexistent" or negligible but it feels like I can't help nearly as much as AST and WHM can. Even Adlo on SCH has a dps buff.