Is there any thought that goes into Sage using Kardion on themself?

[benwithvees]

Or are they just as stupid as I think they are? Is Kardion on themselves really the play?

[Qeilos]

Ive had multiple sages in plat that didnt even apply it the whole game *shrug*

[Tobias_Azuryon]

Kardia'ing yourself can be the difference between you getting nuked while a dps ganks you and no one bothers to help you so yeah there's definitely a reason for it. I can't count how many times the rest of the party has just ignored that I'm behind our team getting mobbed lol.

Every DoT giving me a shield and dosis giving me heal and phlegma damage could be the difference between me dying or living. The other issue is if your target dies with Kardia kardia just disappears, so often if I see people repeatedly eating dirt I just stop trying to use it on them.

I normally try to hop around with targets since Kardia has no cooldown and be spammed easily, but when like the entire party is running off to go TeamDeathMatch while I'm the only one guarding the crystal, I'm definitely going to kardia myself lol.

To be honest with the new balancing sometimes it's the best play to make to avoid excess damage/stop dying especially if you don't have a tank.

[Brownondorf]

Or are they just as stupid as I think they are? Is Kardion on themselves really the play?

yes there's a reason.
- If your Kardia partner or yourself die, you have to reapply the kardia every time unlike in PvE.
- everyone has self heal + guard
- the healing from kardia is quite small, 2k per hit
- SGE has 48k HP and need the survivability from it's own kardia's shields

I will gladly put my kardia on the tank or a melee if they fix it and give a little bit more hp to SGE, but as of now, consider SGE to be a green dps.

[benwithvees]

yes there's a reason.
- If your Kardia partner or yourself die, you have to reapply the kardia every time unlike in PvE.
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Is Kardia on a GCD then that breaks combos or something?

[Qeilos]

Is Kardia on a GCD then that breaks combos or something?

I dont think it matters. WHM isnt a healer to help you, AST isnt a healer to help you, SGE isnt a healer to help, SCH isnt a healer to help you. The best way to approach these games is your survivability is 100% your own responsibility and noone elses regardless whos in the game. WHM is frankly a better BLM than BLM is and I view them as such when I load in.

[Tobias_Azuryon]

Is Kardia on a GCD then that breaks combos or something?

Kardia is spammable. The issue is that to swap targets and then use e dosis (when Eukrasia is a two charge cd not infinitely useable skill) and/or dosis requires extra time that makes most kardia toggling kinda pointless.

But like the other poster said you shouldn't expect a SGE or any healer to really heal you to keep you alive to begin with, but that's the issue. Some classes have crazy sustain and some have none. Hoping they fix that.

[benwithvees]

I dont think it matters. WHM isnt a healer to help you, AST isnt a healer to help you, SGE isnt a healer to help, SCH isnt a healer to help you. The best way to approach these games is your survivability is 100% your own responsibility and noone elses regardless whos in the game. WHM is frankly a better BLM than BLM is and I view them as such when I load in.

WHM is definitely a healer to help, what? I understand you need to survive on your own but why are you queueing these utility roles if not to be utility? And how would that not matter? If Kardion is OGCD with 0 CD then that matters. If it isn't then i would see why it would be difficult to apply Kardion on others.

[IDontPetLalas]

WHM is definitely a healer to help, what? I understand you need to survive on your own but why are you queueing these utility roles if not to be utility? And how would that not matter? If Kardion is OGCD with 0 CD then that matters. If it isn't then i would see why it would be difficult to apply Kardion on others.

You just said that you understood that you need to survive on your own. That is what a sage is doing in CC by applying Kardion to themselves, unless they note that there is someone else around who will actually protect them and then it is worthwhile to put it on that person who is peeling or covering for them. Otherwise no, i would say it isn't going to be used as per PVE - it's better for the SGE to keep themselves up and not distract themselves throwing a relatively small heal in switching so they can use their better utility skills, or their not inconsiderable DPS, which is of more benefit.

[benwithvees]

You just said that you understood that you need to survive on your own. That is what a sage is doing in CC by applying Kardion to themselves, unless they note that there is someone else around who will actually protect them and then it is worthwhile to put it on that person who is peeling or covering for them. Otherwise no, i would say it isn't going to be used as per PVE - it's better for the SGE to keep themselves up and not distract themselves throwing a relatively small heal in switching so they can use their better utility skills, or their not inconsiderable DPS, which is of more benefit.

So then what I'm gathering from this thread then is SGE is just bad and would rather have WHM or any other DPS that's not BLM