[Suggestion] Revamp Marketboard To Function Like WoW/EVE

[YukiB]

I don't follow. How does being able to buy a partial stack suddenly enable bots to take over?

Bot gathers thousands of units of an item.

Bot lists thousands of units of an item (presumably in a single slot under your system).

Bot sets things up so it automatically undercuts competitor listings by 1 gil.

Bot now has the cheapest thousands of units on the market, and no longer has to worry about parsing out the quantities to remain competitive.

Bot repeats this for however many slots their retainers have.

Basically, it's whatever convenience and advantage a regular player would receive from this system, times however much more time the bot has available to run their gathering script.

[DezereDawn]

I don't follow. How does being able to buy a partial stack suddenly enable bots to take over?

it doesn't, and bots already own the market board on many servers lmao,

if anything, this would disincentivize undercutting if ran like WoW's, which also does a "last one in, first one out" system, throw in a short cooldown for relists that way to prevent repeatedly removing and re-adding and it's imo a way better system

also, clean up the marketboard and listing uis in general, it's ridiculous that you need to go to 2 seperate entrypoints to do things relating to the MB, and the listing ui is awful, loads of un-necessary extra clicks to get where you wanna go

[NekoMataMata]

Being able to buy in partial stacks would basically remove the ability for legit players to compete with the bot farmers so...I'm honestly against it.

Legitimate players are already struggling to compete against bot farmers :/ Especially considering bot farmers have more retainer slots by the virtue of having more retainers and the fact that they have accounts that do nothing but sit at the bell all day changing prices to make sure their items sell over yours.

Bots are not a good enough reason to deny us quality of life features. If bots are going to run rampant with the use of QoL, then they're probably already running rampant.

[Fawkes]

Seriously. This needs to happen.

Who's going to buy 50 Calamari Ripieni to craft a couple of items.

There has to be a way to upgrade the Market Board system to allow us to purchase partial stacks from listings.

World of Warcraft (Retail) made the switch. EVE Online has had it since forever.

BONUS: Let us put in buy orders just like in EVE. 'Wishlist' isn't cutting it.

Just buy them and relist all the ones you don't use back on the AH. Sometimes you can even make a profit by splitting the stack yourself and charging more per item than you paid.

[illutian]

Just buy them and relist all the ones you don't use back on the AH. Sometimes you can even make a profit by splitting the stack yourself and charging more per item than you paid.

No no. I'm the one with 24 selling in stacks of 3. But there's a competitors that are selling in larger quantities. I just saw that and thought it silly that even though they have it at a cheaper price per unit. They'll likely never sell that many in one go to one person.

Hence the suggestion post.

[Fawkes]

No no. I'm the one with 24 selling in stacks of 3. But there's a competitors that are selling in larger quantities. I just saw that and thought it silly that even though they have it at a cheaper price per unit. They'll likely never sell that many in one go to one person.

Hence the suggestion post.

So... you want other people to make money on the AH instead of you?

[BrokentoothMarch]

Bot gathers thousands of units of an item.

Bot lists thousands of units of an item (presumably in a single slot under your system).

Bot sets things up so it automatically undercuts competitor listings by 1 gil.

Bot now has the cheapest thousands of units on the market, and no longer has to worry about parsing out the quantities to remain competitive.

Bot repeats this for however many slots their retainers have.

Basically, it's whatever convenience and advantage a regular player would receive from this system, times however much more time the bot has available to run their gathering script.

Bots already do that though? The MB is effectively ruined by gathering bots and price adjusters? What point are you making? This almost feels bad faith with how nonsensical it is.

So... you want other people to make money on the AH instead of you?

I want everyone to make money so, personally, yes. This isn't some martyr "everyone should be rich!", but more I want competition to be healthier and more encouraged as opposed to eventually stamped out and controlled by someone who has thousands of a certain thing and intentionally crashes the market on a whim.

[Padudu]

I want everyone to make money so, personally, yes. This isn't some martyr "everyone should be rich!", but more I want competition to be healthier and more encouraged as opposed to eventually stamped out and controlled by someone who has thousands of a certain thing and intentionally crashes the market on a whim.

Idk, I've no problem selling as it is even on ARR crafted items (dyes). Just be smart about your stacks. The problem I see is that you already kind of have to have a constant watch over what you put on the board due to bots/undercutters, I just feel like it'd worsen that issue when you have a bunch of bots selling at stacks of 99 and undercutting you, and you have little leeway to sell when some of these bots put listings up within *seconds* of yours, but idk. I won't say that I LIKE the current system, but it's workable even with bots all over the place and ruining the MB.

[Krotoan]

If I want things to sell, I sell in reasonable stacks that people can use or turn in:3, 5, 10, 20. This is a part of the economy right now and if you created an order system the bots would run the show wholesale.

Retainer slots have value, understanding manageable parceling has value, knowing markets has value.

[IckeDerTyp]

Seriously. This needs to happen.

Who's going to buy 50 Calamari Ripieni to craft a couple of items.

There has to be a way to upgrade the Market Board system to allow us to purchase partial stacks from listings.

World of Warcraft (Retail) made the switch. EVE Online has had it since forever.

BONUS: Let us put in buy orders just like in EVE. 'Wishlist' isn't cutting it.

They did that in Wow. After that not even playing the MB was fun anymore...

There's plenty of QOL changes they could do other than that imho.

Buy orders would be a good thing tho :3