[Suggestion] Revamp Marketboard To Function Like WoW/EVE

[IckeDerTyp]

Seriously. This needs to happen.

Who's going to buy 50 Calamari Ripieni to craft a couple of items.

There has to be a way to upgrade the Market Board system to allow us to purchase partial stacks from listings.

World of Warcraft (Retail) made the switch. EVE Online has had it since forever.

BONUS: Let us put in buy orders just like in EVE. 'Wishlist' isn't cutting it.

They did that in Wow. After that not even playing the MB was fun anymore...

There's plenty of QOL changes they could do other than that imho.

Buy orders would be a good thing tho :3

[YukiB]

I don't follow. How does being able to buy a partial stack suddenly enable bots to take over?

Bot gathers thousands of units of an item.

Bot lists thousands of units of an item (presumably in a single slot under your system).

Bot sets things up so it automatically undercuts competitor listings by 1 gil.

Bot now has the cheapest thousands of units on the market, and no longer has to worry about parsing out the quantities to remain competitive.

Bot repeats this for however many slots their retainers have.

Basically, it's whatever convenience and advantage a regular player would receive from this system, times however much more time the bot has available to run their gathering script.

[Fawkes]

No no. I'm the one with 24 selling in stacks of 3. But there's a competitors that are selling in larger quantities. I just saw that and thought it silly that even though they have it at a cheaper price per unit. They'll likely never sell that many in one go to one person.

Hence the suggestion post.

So... you want other people to make money on the AH instead of you?

[BrokentoothMarch]

Bot gathers thousands of units of an item.

Bot lists thousands of units of an item (presumably in a single slot under your system).

Bot sets things up so it automatically undercuts competitor listings by 1 gil.

Bot now has the cheapest thousands of units on the market, and no longer has to worry about parsing out the quantities to remain competitive.

Bot repeats this for however many slots their retainers have.

Basically, it's whatever convenience and advantage a regular player would receive from this system, times however much more time the bot has available to run their gathering script.

Bots already do that though? The MB is effectively ruined by gathering bots and price adjusters? What point are you making? This almost feels bad faith with how nonsensical it is.

So... you want other people to make money on the AH instead of you?

I want everyone to make money so, personally, yes. This isn't some martyr "everyone should be rich!", but more I want competition to be healthier and more encouraged as opposed to eventually stamped out and controlled by someone who has thousands of a certain thing and intentionally crashes the market on a whim.

[StrongWilled]

Honestly, a blind market board would likely be better - where you could only see the purchase history. and set your price, if someone bids at your price, then great. if they are under the lowest blind price, there is nothing for them to buy. but, this would be a fully preferential change. There are too many other things the devs really need to work on before taking on new projects (ie: hats/hairs - more than what just came out - for hroth and viera - getting the female hroth release, finish the dev on the beta items released, expansion of glamour dresser that's coming, classes fixes so things arent continuously dumbed down).

[Padudu]

I want everyone to make money so, personally, yes. This isn't some martyr "everyone should be rich!", but more I want competition to be healthier and more encouraged as opposed to eventually stamped out and controlled by someone who has thousands of a certain thing and intentionally crashes the market on a whim.

Idk, I've no problem selling as it is even on ARR crafted items (dyes). Just be smart about your stacks. The problem I see is that you already kind of have to have a constant watch over what you put on the board due to bots/undercutters, I just feel like it'd worsen that issue when you have a bunch of bots selling at stacks of 99 and undercutting you, and you have little leeway to sell when some of these bots put listings up within *seconds* of yours, but idk. I won't say that I LIKE the current system, but it's workable even with bots all over the place and ruining the MB.

[BrokentoothMarch]

Idk, I've no problem selling as it is even on ARR crafted items (dyes). Just be smart about your stacks. The problem I see is that you already kind of have to have a constant watch over what you put on the board due to bots/undercutters, I just feel like it'd worsen that issue when you have a bunch of bots selling at stacks of 99 and undercutting you, and you have little leeway to sell when some of these bots put listings up within *seconds* of yours, but idk. I won't say that I LIKE the current system, but it's workable even with bots all over the place and ruining the MB.

That's kind of the issue, isn't it? I'm not saying there's no workaround. I'm aware smart-stacking is the way. A lot of my money is made from upcharging materia because of course people would rather pay a slight increase for stacks of 3 instead of the madlads who think dumping 99 across the board is the right move. I just think it shouldn't be my responsibility. Not because of some entitlement or because I deserve it, but because if there's a better system that has been implemented to the point of being standard, I have to wonder why it isn't standard.

To say nothing that this would drive down prices on a lot of controlled or overpriced markets. The game has been happy with gil sinks lately that strike mostly the midcore crowd, but has done little to adjust pricing on the MB. I'm not for artificial manipulating of prices from the devs, of course, so the remaining option is to standardize the MB.

At least how I think things.

[KageTokage]

Bots will only undercut stacks of items if you are listing the exact same amount of items as them at a lower price, therefore you can circumvent their scripts by just listing a different quantity.

Things like crafted gear don't have this luxury which as a side effect tends to result in all but the most determined of legit players getting chased out of the market due to pressure from the undercut spamming.

[BrokentoothMarch]

Bots will only undercut stacks of items if you are listing the exact same amount of items as them at a lower price, therefore you can circumvent their scripts by just listing a different quantity.

Things like crafted gear don't have this luxury which as a side effect tends to result in all but the most determined of legit players getting chased out of the market due to pressure from the undercut spamming.

What? That's not true at all. Bots look at the lowest price and undercut by 1 gil nonstop until it reaches the bottom of their programmed window. I don't know where you got your information, but it's either straight wrong or you're aware of some pretty bad bots. If it was that easy to circumvent, why on EARTH would botting be efficient? Everyone would just sell in stacks of 98.

Crafted gear, though, is obviously agreed to be one of the worst hit.

[ICountFrom0]

Who's going to buy 50 Calamari Ripieni to craft a couple of items.

You will, and then you'll put them back on the marketboard when your done with them.

Squenix will take a cut when you buy them, and take another when you sell them, and that removes gil from the game.

And then you'll complain on the message board, and nothing else will happen.