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    Player YukikoKurosawa's Avatar
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    What exactly is the point of losing costing you rank?

    Spend all day in Gold, nearly hit Platinum. Only to hit a losing streak and go all the way back down to the Gold 4. What, besides padding subscription fees and MAU's with the excessive time it takes to even potentiall rank up, is the reason for this system? What benefit does this add to lose an entire days worth of progress just due to sheer bad luck? I'm at gold but I dont even feel proud to be this far, it's RNG whether or not I get dealt a good or shitty hand with the matchmaking or not.

    This doesn't make it more fun. This doesn't make it feel more rewarding. It's just RNG determining if you just wasted your time or not. If I make progress, it should be permanent. I despise systems in video games where I lose progress, especially if it's due to RNG.

    This, combined with the rampant cheating, horrendous matchmaking somehow consistently pairing me against meta comps, makes me want to just give up and do casual exclusively. Stop adding these unfun, grindy systems just to artificially pad out MAU's.
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    Not everyone is meant to be able to get every rank. SE's already rather generous in making it so you can't derank into silver, etc.

    The battle pass has the rewards for everyone, and can be earned at any rank or even in casual mode.
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    Player YukikoKurosawa's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Risvertasashi View Post
    Not everyone is meant to be able to get every rank.
    I'm not asking for that. You would still have to actually WIN enough games to hit Crystal. Making you lose rank if you lose (which RNG can result in you having such a bad luck streak that you do not ever rank up that far) isn't the right way to make it exclusive it just makes it random and totally deprives the whole thing of merit. Might as well just put up some ingame raffle like housing now and randomly give people Crystal rank who win said raffle. If I can't get to crystal purely of my own merit than it has zero value to me whatsoever, even if I got it I wouldn't feel any semblance of pride. It just means I got lucky.

    This entire system is terrible and anti-fun. It just wastes time to make us grind far longer and pad out MAU's. There is no deeper reason beyond that. It is DESIGNED to waste time.
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    It's not totally random.

    Some games you can't make a difference. But as with any team game, you can be the uplifting force, or the anchor bringing them down. Be the positive difference, and given time, you will rise - though frustrating days can happen, it nonetheless holds true overall.
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    You're not supposed to be able to just grind out rank. That's not the purpose of rank. It's not like item or character level. If you're not doing well enough to rank up, you won't rank up. Working as intended.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iyrnwaen View Post
    You're not supposed to be able to just grind out rank. That's not the purpose of rank. It's not like item or character level. If you're not doing well enough to rank up, you won't rank up. Working as intended.
    Im gold 3 with a less than 50% winrate. Objectively in any game with functioning MMR that should be utterly impossible. Your rank is an indication of luck as much as its skill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Qeilos View Post
    Im gold 3 with a less than 50% winrate. Objectively in any game with functioning MMR that should be utterly impossible. Your rank is an indication of luck as much as its skill.
    It's not because of luck. It's because the system is designed with training wheels. You get extra stars for win streaks and you can't drop out of your tier.
    Contrary to what I said, you actually can more or less grind your way to Crystal unless you're so bad your teams literally cannot win.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YukikoKurosawa View Post
    I'm not asking for that. You would still have to actually WIN enough games to hit Crystal. Making you lose rank if you lose (which RNG can result in you having such a bad luck streak that you do not ever rank up that far) isn't the right way to make it exclusive it just makes it random and totally deprives the whole thing of merit. Might as well just put up some ingame raffle like housing now and randomly give people Crystal rank who win said raffle. If I can't get to crystal purely of my own merit than it has zero value to me whatsoever, even if I got it I wouldn't feel any semblance of pride. It just means I got lucky.

    This entire system is terrible and anti-fun. It just wastes time to make us grind far longer and pad out MAU's. There is no deeper reason beyond that. It is DESIGNED to waste time.
    PvP ranks are not something u get by just playing until u have enough wins. Is a system used by multiple games where u get stuck in the rank equivalent to your skill. SE wanted to be generous and leave that just for the crystal rank, and u cannot be demoted.

    Is like having 3000 games in League of Legends, stuck in silver, and asking why u are not Diamond after 1500 wins, well, you have 1500 loses.
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    Jorethor Castas
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    The point in losing your rank is you losing something when you know, lose.
    If you win you win something, if you lose you lose something, that's how it works.

    Heck, even when you lose in this game you win something.
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    Player YukikoKurosawa's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raistlin View Post
    PvP ranks are not something u get by just playing until u have enough wins. Is a system used by multiple games where u get stuck in the rank equivalent to your skill. SE wanted to be generous and leave that just for the crystal rank, and u cannot be demoted.

    Is like having 3000 games in League of Legends, stuck in silver, and asking why u are not Diamond after 1500 wins, well, you have 1500 loses.
    Do you think this is fun though?
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