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  1. #31
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    Kalinas Luminas
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    Need some basic QoL for housing...

    Yeah...it kind of made sense back when you could only use the same housing districts house designs, but now with marble cafes to Mog Homes...it's just one of those holdovers that really shows how much work the housing system needs.

    Why can't we change or even hide the pillars and stairs? I mean look at the differences in them.


    Smalls are to the left and then 3 medium on the right for good measure.

    Why are basic housing features being slot hogs? 18 slots used up in a flash.

    A medium house for example has 300 slots...you lose 1 though for each feature.
    Message Book Stand.
    Crystal Bell for aesthetician.
    Armoire for storage of event items.
    Summoning Bell for retainers.
    Orchestrion.
    Company Chest.
    Aetherial Wheel Stand for higher grade FC actions.
    The Unending Journey to review story.
    Toy Box to play the mini games.
    Triple Triad Board so you can play at home.
    Max of 3x Flower Pots.
    Housing vendor permits x 5 (Steward, Material Supplier, Junk Monger, Mender, Materia Melder).

    Maybe one day they will give a glam dresser item to eat up another slot...

    Outside you have a max of 30 items in a medium house, but the mini-aetheryte takes a slot and so does the mailbox. Then if you want retainers in the yard that's another 2 slots. Striking Dummy is another slot as well. Then there's the 2x garden patches for a Medium if you want to grow things. Then the Chocobo Stables if you want to raise or dye them. These should all just be slots on the Remodel Exterior menu or just add a new group of slots in a menu for Housing Features.

    Why don't we just have XYZ axis for placing items? Why do we have to glitch things?

    Instead of working on new systems like adventurer plates...maybe fix a few older ones first.
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    Last edited by Kalinas; 04-25-2022 at 05:35 AM.

  2. #32
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    Hadrefort Sarmantoix
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    I would love to be able to change my interior walls and pillars too. I have a small cottage in Shirogane and the interior wall and pillars pretty much restrict me to having only eastern designs unless I blew a ton of my housing slots to cover them up which really sucks
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  3. #33
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    Jojoya Joya
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalinas View Post
    Why are basic housing features being slot hogs? 18 slots used up in a flash..
    Not everyone wants those features in their house (or can in the case of the wheel stands being restricted to FC houses). Why should potential item space be taken up by things not everyone wants? Please, let's take away 100 general use inventory spaces from everyone so fishers can have their specialized tackle box they want even though not everyone has unlocked FSH and not every fisher wants to keep every bait/lure.


    Quote Originally Posted by Kalinas View Post
    Instead of working on new systems like adventurer plates...maybe fix a few older ones first.
    That's just as ignorant as those claiming that the lottery isn't fixed yet because Ultimate is being added during maintenance tonight. Adventurer plates have nothing to do with housing. There are separate developer teams working on each.
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  4. #34
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    Not everyone wants those features in their house (or can in the case of the wheel stands being restricted to FC houses). Why should potential item space be taken up by things not everyone wants? Please, let's take away 100 general use inventory spaces from everyone so fishers can have their specialized tackle box they want even though not everyone has unlocked FSH and not every fisher wants to keep every bait/lure.
    Let's communicate without the sarcasm. Please? I work with middle school students all day and don't relish the idea of dealing with more of it at night. Thankfully just 7 or so more Mondays until summer break.

    That said, at what point did I say the basic housing features most FCs use...needed to be locked in for everyone and use up their slots? In fact, I want to see SE free up the slots those items take up and make those basic housing features optional slots kind of like they do the yard with the "Optional Fixtures" menu when you click remodel. Make it so that as you put items such like the summoning bell in a slot on that "optional features" menu, have it appear in the house and then let the player move it around. My post literally adds up the items that are also housing features to show how many valuable slots they eat up. If I wasn't clear enough...then hopefully this helps. It would also be a good space to add the ability to change out the pillars/stairs etc in the houses in the same remodel window we use to change the floors and lighting.

    As for the other part of your reply, I understand that there are different teams and I'll be the first to admit that I don't know how many are currently on each or what each person does. I haven't looked at the list really since Stormblood and was too emotional post Endwalker to watch the names as closely. I do know they like to mix things up in the past and make these side projects like when GPose was added as I recall back in 3.1 (now there's a feature that grew over the years unlike housing).

    Where would portraits and adventure plates fit in with which dev team? Who knows...UI Designers or programmers? Non-Combat Content Designers or programmers? What's the break down of content devs per those groups? No idea. Is there some overlap in within those groups and housing...maybe, but SE doesn't tell us specifics like that usually.

    Tangent: I would love to see a panel at the next fanfest that is just those devs working on housing like they had Mr. Ozma before for battle design.

    But yeah, they literally said the plates were in beta still and that's why I mentioned that as an example of the newest one they are adding to the game. I like new stuff as much as the next person. I just want to see them also improving and investing in the older stuff too.
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    Last edited by Kalinas; 04-26-2022 at 01:53 PM.

  5. #35
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    Lucretia Ryusagi
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalinas View Post
    A medium house for example has 300 slots...you lose 1 though for each feature.
    Message Book Stand.
    Crystal Bell for aesthetician.
    Armoire for storage of event items.
    Summoning Bell for retainers.
    Orchestrion.
    Company Chest.
    Aetherial Wheel Stand for higher grade FC actions.
    The Unending Journey to review story.
    Toy Box to play the mini games.
    Triple Triad Board so you can play at home.
    Max of 3x Flower Pots.
    Housing vendor permits x 5 (Steward, Material Supplier, Junk Monger, Mender, Materia Melder). .
    and you don't need to have most of these in your house.
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  6. #36
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    Khloe Entialpoh
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    I'd love it if my pillar/ ceiling theme matched that of the Ishgard housing district- I'm currently stuck in Ul Dah & like so many others, were waiting for years to get into Ishgard housing

    we all know SE isn't really trying to fix the housing. (if they were, they wouldn't have allocated so many of the 1st wards to FC houses for starters- they can't actually be that tone-deaf)
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  8. #37
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalinas View Post
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    To add in agreement to this- I want each house size (S, M & L) to get an interior item increase of 100 item slots for item placement AND storage.

    On the same note though, I'd much prefer the orchestrion roll to be 'invisible' so it didn't take up an item slot- and that we could just add music to each part of our home without an item taking up that 1 slot- the orchestrion item could still be added for decor purposes but not needed to play our desired music

    The company chest & other FC/ crafting items should be automatically considered when upgrading those things or getting an FC house- like maybe once you unlock a certain part of the FC workshop, you get more storage tabs related to crafting/ etc. without having to add the storage chests so it doesn't take up an item slot

    TL; DR- workshop should have a different storage tab strictly for crafting/ items not related to decorating- so an FC chest doesn't take up 1 slot
    But other misc & crafting items such as the Aetherial wheel, toy box etc shouldn't take up an item space at all imo

    Retainers & NPCs should just be an optional feature that folks pay like 10k gil to unlock once but don't require item slots to use- instead, have them UI tab based- so when you enter your designated house, a UI tab is present labeled " Workshop | Company Storage | Retainers & NPC's | House Storage "
    And clicking on a tab will bring up a further UI window, so clicking on workshop will show you things all related to whats being researched/ what can be researched
    Company storage is basically your company chest & it brings up all things that would normally be stored in the actual company chest
    Retainers & NPCs would bring up a UI window of all personal retainers & in a lower menu you would see all available NPCs (junkmonger, Mender, etc)
    And house storage would be the entire decor & storage window of items placed

    The message book should be an item you can just add in a window- and bring up in a window like (Housing-> message book) almost like the market board- all of these suggestions are to save on item slots

    As far as getting better placement for housing (Axis placement: XYZ)- YES. We should be able to place items & move them anywhere without getting a flat no because a wall is too close to a pillar you're trying to hide while trying to maximize the space. We should not have to downright bug items or glitch items just to get a desired effect.
    This is something that in order to fix, the Devs have to take physical part in. I've always suggested for Yoshi-P or w/e dev to be forced to recreate some of the most intricate player housing designs just to get a glimpse of a system they've failed to acknowledge for years.

    (Truthfully, I'd rather there be an interior limit of 1000 items)
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  9. #38
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalinas View Post
    Let's communicate without the sarcasm. Please? I work with middle school students all day and don't relish the idea of dealing with more of it at night. Thankfully just 7 or so more Mondays until summer break.
    Players are constantly asking for their favorite items to not count against their general inventory allotment (or housing item allotment in this case). The fishing tackle request is one of the more common ones. You might think it's sarcasm but it's a very real example.

    I don't use half of the items you list in my own house. If SE is going to add another 18 item slots to our item limits, I'd rather have the option to use those slots for items I want in my house instead of someone else choosing what those items can be.
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  10. #39
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    Players are constantly asking for their favorite items to not count against their general inventory allotment (or housing item allotment in this case). The fishing tackle request is one of the more common ones. You might think it's sarcasm but it's a very real example.

    I don't use half of the items you list in my own house. If SE is going to add another 18 item slots to our item limits, I'd rather have the option to use those slots for items I want in my house instead of someone else choosing what those items can be.
    I honestly standardly use all those items in my home so I have a central hub for most things. I believe most opinions are valid in housing. However if we could just change the default pillars and walls to

    1: Let us make the pillars optional.
    2: Let us choose which pillars we want.
    3: Allow pillar options that match each style of popular partitions.
    4: Add door ways that match each partition.
    5: I don't mind keeping the stairs, ceiling beams and stair rails the same but please allow us to change the textures and colors to match our partitions.

    For argument sakes lets not dwell on the residential zone dictates the pillars / trim because we are able to change our outside skin which should reflect on the inside. We should be able to mix an match these on the inside for what's available. I could see the cafe house becoming a more instant success because I would assume the inside would be more of a marble partition trim. This would allow people to not have to waste 30+ slots on partitions to to hide the walls.
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  11. #40
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    Lala Felon
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    House exteriors are done by FCs in the workshop.

    It would be a nice solo crafting task if there were optional crafted insides - pillars, ceiling, stairs - that were made by solo crafters. Not easy crafts, but something to be unlocked, something that doesn't need a house to make, something that needs some rare gathered materials.

    Want candy pillars inside? A solo crafter could make them with something as hard to get as the Balsamic clay needed for the exterior.
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