Is everyone cheating now in CC?

[S__th_rn_fl_am_]

I repeat-- LM-17 and LM-31 will be unleashed in FFXIV Crystalline Conflict-- just watch it happen. To those who never played FFXI, I wager you might be among the people who will be wondering-- "What the heck are these freaking codes? What do they mean??"

These were the code names for the massive bans that Square Enix unleashed in FFXI sometime in November 2008. Before the bans came, a massive number of players confidently bragged that they would never be caught using a certain avenue in the game that allowed them to essentially cheat in Salvage and Assault. In response, SE calmly rolled up their sleeves, investigated extensively and went as far as gathering a year's worth of logs throughout all areas. A year's worth-- true story.

When the bans came, it was a massacre-- first round decimated and permanently banned the accounts of the ringleaders which amounted to 550 players. Next round tore through about 400 or 4000 players who got temporarily suspended ranging between 30 to 90 days or something along those lines. I forget the details of the further rounds of punishments-- but you get the idea. Trust me when i say FFXIV Devs and GMs have a truly impressive array of tools that they can use to investigate this stuff. The reason why it will take a while to catch the cheaters is that it usually involves manpower resources being pulled from more important tasks in order to spend time on the investigations.

The cheating in CC has gotten so bad that last weekend, I did a full 19-hour stream on one of my alts (with breaks inbetween of course)-- just to prove to my viewers that I could not evolve past Bronze rank due to the cheaters. Note that this test was done while fully utilizing all the meta jobs to their max potential (WAR, SAM, WHM)

This is just a really dramatic post with no evidence of anything. the LM codes were just generic codes for account suspensions and people openly discussed them on FFXIAH, BlueGartr, official forums etc and it was wide varieties of violations to terms. You can still find forum posts from 2009 where people made a phone call and got their account turned back on.

Also gonna need the link to your vod with the timestamps of the cheaters.

[Lieri]

Glad I no lifed CC for the rewards day 1 & 2. I didnt find a single cheater on those days just players having a good time.

[Payadopa]

Yes if I loose, no if I win, naturally.

[NamanoNanaya]

"I didn't have a problem, therefore there is no problem." That's a logical fallacy if I've ever seen one.

I still wouldn't say cheaters are common at this point, but you can definitely tell if they're present when you're consistently unable to perform certain actions without getting dogpiled by CC and/or burst within a fraction of a second and while the suspect players in question were already pre-occupied with fighting others.

Actually your cherry picking my own words because I said maybe and I didn’t have this issue so to me oh I don’t think it’s as prevalent as people are claiming it is
You confirm my second point by saying that you don’t believe they are common but that you can tell their presence.
So I failed to see what a benefit or purpose proving a logical fallacy with words that I didn’t even say comes into effect since you paraphrase what I said and negated what I referenced which was to myself and in my own point of you if you’re going to try to one up someone else at least do it with a modicum of standard reading comprehension

[Xel]

When we reach the point that everyone is cheating, won't wins be decided by skill then?

If everyone is superman, no one is, right?

[Moonlite]

Not sure if relates to cheaters in PvP. But the idea bothered me. In one of the big batches of add ons people recommend is one that removes animation lock. So you can move more freely and attack more. The people showing it thought it was as normal as the addon that glitches furniture however you want or the UI tweaker.



Good luck to everyone and while I don't trust SE to act fast on cheating. Maybe do something else for a while and hopefully they won't be in your match.

[S__th_rn_fl_am_]

People are confusing server tick issues, or misunderstanding abilities, or spreading rumors about hacks that they haven't experienced. There have been scattered videos from streamers showing speed hacks and HP hacks, however, there's no feasible way that the people doing this are keeping you out of gold. It's been frequently the same few people who were doing it in the feast over the past few years. Hacks are not as widespread as people are claiming.
In addition to the very rare full on speed/HP hack, there are addons that more people have access to that time or trigger abilities based on other events or situations in game (such as an addon that will trigger a MCH LB on a player that has low enough HP to be KO'd). These can trigger all kinds of things similar to user macros, however they don't do anything that a good player isn't already doing, and like other scripts that don't have extensive community testing, can be buggy and do funny things like fail because of LoS.
More predominant are people using multiple accounts to pad games. They use their account they are ranking up along with accounts they are attempting to get queued into matches with, where they can then manipulate the outcome by farming their plant. This has worked for a very specific few people in the past on Crystal DC. If this were happening to you you would see team members with ridiculously low numbers, sometimes zeros, or where they were obviously AFK running into a wall.

[KageTokage]

People are confusing server tick issues, or misunderstanding abilities, or spreading rumors about hacks that they haven't experienced. There have been scattered videos from streamers showing speed hacks and HP hacks, however, there's no feasible way that the people doing this are keeping you out of gold. It's been frequently the same few people who were doing it in the feast over the past few years. Hacks are not as widespread as people are claiming.
In addition to the very rare full on speed/HP hack, there are addons that more people have access to that time or trigger abilities based on other events or situations in game (such as an addon that will trigger a MCH LB on a player that has low enough HP to be KO'd). These can trigger all kinds of things similar to user macros, however they don't do anything that a good player isn't already doing, and like other scripts that don't have extensive community testing, can be buggy and do funny things like fail because of LoS.

One of the fundamental things the scripts people are using do is ignore OGCD/animation delays so they can ensure abilities go off exactly when they need them to, which is partly why they're able to do things like interrupt LBs consistently regardless of whether or not they're actively engaged with other players or dump every single OGCD they have on you in the span of a single GCD.

The point that's it's not common still stands, but it's really noticeable when there is somebody using them.

[S__th_rn_fl_am_]

I'm sure some people are modifying noclippy or xivalexander in order to bypass a a couple hundred mms, but I'm extremely doubtful of a script being able to consistently interrupt LB casts. And even using noclippy or xivalexander shouldn't allow you to put your whole kit out in a single GCD.
I'm not telling you to take responsibility for proving this is happening, but I'd really like to see some video proof of this happening. I already saw the video of the the speed/HP hack, so I'm sure it's possible.

[KageTokage]

It's mostly people digging around in the dark corners of the internet and actually finding the add-ons that are being used that's made them aware of what they can do.

There's been a couple of Youtubers who detailed the kinds of things you can expect to see from automated scripts going off of the actual patch notes/feature listings from those add-ons, but it's kind of a slippery slope as to whether it's a net positive/negative to be raising awareness of the matter, as if it's known the moderation isn't taking the more subtle forms of cheating seriously it's liable to convince more people to try them out.