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    Player
    Josebm's Avatar
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    Jorethor Castas
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    Lancer Lv 100

    Stop complaining about DRG LB, the real enemy is SAM LB

    Someone had to finally say it people

    Ya'll complaining that DRG LB is broken? HOW?
    It does 30k damage (IF you are in the TINY circle)
    You can use GUARD against it

    SAM LB can ONE SHOT an entire party
    thats 5 players from 100%hp to 0%hp
    from one button
    also, SAM has several abilities that IGNORE GUARD

    L O L
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    Sylvestre Solscribe
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    DRG LB is meant to be countered by spreading/using guard.
    The only issue is that in the heat of the battle, we don't really see that pale blue ring on the ground.

    An easy fix would be make the ring much clearer, perhaps even with a light blue pillar of blue light.

    Even right now when you see the ring moving that LB is much less threatening.
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    Djent Veilphery
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    Faerie
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sylvain View Post
    DRG LB is meant to be countered by spreading/using guard.
    The only issue is that in the heat of the battle, we don't really see that pale blue ring on the ground.

    An easy fix would be make the ring much clearer, perhaps even with a light blue pillar of blue light.

    Even right now when you see the ring moving that LB is much less threatening.
    This plus I think they need to make it much more obvious when other people are limit breaking. In a game like overwatch, there are very distinct voice lines when people are using their ultimates and plus you can hear the voice lines from any part of the map.

    Right now, LB's swing fights too hard for it not to warrant a voice line or sound for people to react to.
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    Blackiron Tarkus
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sylvain View Post
    DRG LB is meant to be countered by spreading/using guard.
    The only issue is that in the heat of the battle, we don't really see that pale blue ring on the ground.

    An easy fix would be make the ring much clearer, perhaps even with a light blue pillar of blue light.

    Even right now when you see the ring moving that LB is much less threatening.
    The same could be said for SAM. Looking for a small buff is just as hard if not harder to spot in the heat of battle though tbh I never had an issue seeing DRG's LB in CC, FL is a different beast but that's FL. Though the few times that I did get zan'd I didn't get angry, more so impressed they pulled it off and a reminder not to get too greedy, as it does take some skill to set it up. It's like parry baiting R1 spammers in souls games then you one shot them with a riposte.

    However, some actions do need a more clear visual indicator. Like a maybe a glint in the eyes of the SAM (similar to WAR IR) when Chiten is active to be visually striking but not so obvious and not reliant for looking at buff indicators. I feel like a lot of ppl who complain about the pvp in this game are really complaining about the lack of co-ordination because a lot of skills can easily be countered by guard or another LB. You just have to time it and not do stupid things like run into a mob alone. The rework is only a week old and its too soon to nerf things but ppl in pvp still do the same thing as running solo into the enemy rather than wait a few secs to regroup and move in as a team.

    Ppl just need to learn to read the momentum of a fight and not just say one skill is op just cuz you got punished for not reacting to it right.
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    Player JanVanding's Avatar
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    Edie Ul'mehdi
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    Quote Originally Posted by Josebm View Post
    Someone had to finally say it people

    Ya'll complaining that DRG LB is broken? HOW?
    It does 30k damage (IF you are in the TINY circle)
    You can use GUARD against it

    SAM LB can ONE SHOT an entire party
    thats 5 players from 100%hp to 0%hp
    from one button
    also, SAM has several abilities that IGNORE GUARD

    L O L
    Here's the thing with the SAM LB

    If you see them spin their sword with full LB

    You don't hit them

    Or, you force them to use purify, then layer CC (or pray the CC immunity bug triggers) and they can't one shot.
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    Astrologian Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by JanVanding View Post
    Here's the thing with the SAM LB

    If you see them spin their sword with full LB

    You don't hit them

    Or, you force them to use purify, then layer CC (or pray the CC immunity bug triggers) and they can't one shot.
    there is litearlly no audiovisual feedback whatsoever that they used LB. i have to pretty much stare at the lb bars on the party lists if theres a samurai because theres no aura, no sound, no nothing.
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    Player JanVanding's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by QooEr View Post
    there is litearlly no audiovisual feedback whatsoever that they used LB. i have to pretty much stare at the lb bars on the party lists if theres a samurai because theres no aura, no sound, no nothing.
    Actually is, you will hear a sword spin noise when they're using Chitin and see an animation. could do with being less subtle.
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    Jorethor Castas
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    Quote Originally Posted by JanVanding View Post
    Actually is, you will hear a sword spin noise when they're using Chitin and see an animation. could do with being less subtle.
    theres like a million sfx going on
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    Player Mithron's Avatar
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    They're both OP and need nerfing
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    Player Midareyukki's Avatar
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    Harun Asubra
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    They're both awful. SAM LB can oneshot an entire party, but DRG LB is just as terrible since it deals super high damage on an AoE, the indicator is garbage if you're colourblind and you can't CC it.
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