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    Josebm's Avatar
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    Jorethor Castas
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    Quote Originally Posted by Midareyukki View Post
    They're both awful. SAM LB can oneshot an entire party, but DRG LB is just as terrible since it deals super high damage on an AoE, the indicator is garbage if you're colourblind and you can't CC it.
    Huh? 20k is not super high damage lol
    The indicator can be tricky to spot, but thats the point lol, most lbs are hard to spot
    You can also GUARD against it lmao

    How is that anywhere near as bad as one button party wipe that ignores GUARD? hello?
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    Last edited by Josebm; 04-19-2022 at 09:18 AM. Reason: typo

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    Player RyuDragnier's Avatar
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    Hayk Farsight
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    Quote Originally Posted by Josebm View Post
    Huh? 20k is not super high damage lol
    It stacks with Life of the Dragon. So that 20K turns into 25K, 37.5K if you're hitting point blank range and get the 50% damage boost (and if I have my math right). That's nothing to sneeze at, and can devastate people easily.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    It stacks with Life of the Dragon. So that 20K turns into 25K, 37.5K if you're hitting point blank range and get the 50% damage boost (and if I have my math right). That's nothing to sneeze at, and can devastate people easily.
    30k in the 5 yalms of the center of the circle.. 20k +50% damage = 30k dunno if you can stack life of the dragon with... some drg need to come and test it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silentwindfr View Post
    30k in the 5 yalms of the center of the circle.. 20k +50% damage = 30k dunno if you can stack life of the dragon with... some drg need to come and test it.
    Yes but you forget one crucial detail, YOU CAN GUARD AGAINST DRG LB so that 40k damage is actually 4k L O L
    This is why DRG LB has to be hard to spot.
    You can see the dragoon LB progress bar, you can see when they jump, you can see the area of attack, you have ample time to either move out or use GUARD for 90% MITIGATION.
    IF DRG LB broke GUARD I could understand why people want it nerfed, but as of now there hasn't been any single legitimate reason to complain about DRG LB.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    It stacks with Life of the Dragon. So that 20K turns into 25K, 37.5K if you're hitting point blank range and get the 50% damage boost (and if I have my math right). That's nothing to sneeze at, and can devastate people easily.
    Pretty sure you can sneeze at it with guard
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    I mean the easiest way to counterplay the lb is just to not hit a samurai while Chiten is up

    There are ways to increase the visibility of your opponent's buff bar and you should be paying attention to those regardless especially against samurais
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    Quote Originally Posted by ElusiveAtomos View Post
    I mean the easiest way to counterplay the lb is just to not hit a samurai while Chiten is up

    There are ways to increase the visibility of your opponent's buff bar and you should be paying attention to those regardless especially against samurais
    And you can just use guard when you see DRG LB....
    Can't do that with SAM
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    I have no issues with either, guess I'm just good? Lol.
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    Player
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilegorn View Post
    I have no issues with either, guess I'm just good? Lol.
    How dare you sir, this is pvp!
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    Indeed:
    DRG = Dragoon disappeared? Spread/heal/guard. Or simply sprint away, the dragoon can die from dots while in the air and the only thing they bring to the table is damage, so nerfing their lb would make the class worthless in any comp. Is pvp as you said you aren't suppose to have a pve indicator so everyone can just ignore the LB.

    Sam annoyed me day 1, now I either CC the Sam, spread away from team mates while the lb is ready or just focus melt them down.

    Meanwhile machinist brings CC, dots, burst damage and a heavy damage lb and point support while being range and stupidly safe to play.

    I feel all you need is more experience countering said jobs. The new pvp system is quite new after all.
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