Worst housing system in the world

[Besame]

Weird, I have seen so many MMOs die to focusing on the demands of a tiny group of elitist players who want the right to show off, I wonder why. Is it possible it's better to focus on the larger part of the population?

Can't possibly be... (/s if not obvious)

Squenix, please just fix housing. If not solely for the majority players that are left out of the system, then at least so that I can see your next expansion. Or is this game now "done" for you guys?

Last I looked, this WAS the housing forum discussions not dungeons, nor pvp, nor crafting and gathering. The discussions for those topics can be found elsewhere if you look really hard???

[Fleap]

That post was about housing and how the minority of players seem to be wanting the system kept the same while the overwhelming amount of players are calling for reform.

[Sythex]

That post was about housing and how the minority of players seem to be wanting the system kept the same while the overwhelming amount of players are calling for reform.

I'll bet a good chunk of that minority who wants to keep things as they are are people who are already benefitting from private housing and the rest are people who just don't care about housing. What they need to realize is that some people want housing because it's a casual experience. I know for me, there is a lot of content (such as savage raids) that I do not want to participate in because PF savage raids left a bad taste in my mouth and damaged my confidence in playing the game up to elitist standards.

[Fleap]

Maybe the /s for sarcasm is getting missed up there but I get the feeling that my post is being misunderstood, so I'm gonna lay it out in a different way here.

What I am saying with that post, is that every MMO that I have played that has decided to focus on an elitist minority group, has failed. Some games it was endgame and tuning raids for the world first and "raiding is my full time job" people. Some games it was the people that wanted to feel elite in PVP. Bad systems tuned so that it only favors the most elite who can access those systems is an MMO killer.

In FF, the current bad system is housing. The elitists, are those who insist ward housing is fine because they got their Unicorn Plot Large and want to brag about it. Don't tell me they don't exist, on these forums, discords, and in-game you can always find those people who consider their artificial-scarcity house a status symbol. And those are the people still being catered to.

The majority wants a better housing system. Has for a long time. People *have* left this game over housing. People will continue to do so.

In gaming there is a thing called a "quit point." Its a point where a player gets so frustrated, or locked behind a wall, or skillcapped, and quits playing the game. Every game has quit points for different kinds of people. For some, its getting constantly ganked in PVP. For some, its not being able to get a group together to play raid tiers. For some, its bad story, or bad design. A quit point can happen at any point of a game. It can be instant -- the game won't load -- or prolonged -- a person gets depressed due to being gated out of the content that they want to enjoy and leaves the game for a better game that better fulfills their needs. One of FF's is housing. If too many people quit the game due to housing, the game will decrease in longevity. FF did have the fortune of a big stink happening at WoW (finally) over their ethics in general, and also how the quality of their games have dropped. But that fortune isn't going to last forever, and some of those numbers have already been shed, have already reached their quit point.

What I am saying, is that squenix should stop gating housing because the elite keep saying "wards are fine" (dev parts included) and instead find something better for the *majority* of players to enjoy. And they should ideally do it before it costs them the game.

Does that clear things up?

[Sythex]

I'm in full agreement with you, they want to feel special having something that is gated by sheer luck.

For me, that quit point is just as I've said: I have run out of content I am willing to do because toxic players have ruined end game content for me, and the only other thing I want to enjoy the game as of right now is housing. Unfortunately, I was gated out by someone luckier than myself.

[Fleap]

Ah yes. That is exactly a part of the problem.

After around 7 years of on and off play (periodic quits due to RL, in-game community nonsense, or housing), I am fortunate enough that I won a house before lotto -- it was a goblet plot at a weird hour in the morning so it wasn't much competition. And having a house is exactly what I wanted. I much prefer crafting alone in my house than in some city or town. I have neuro issues, and too many flashy skill effects and noises can give me migraines or minor seizures. Sure I have visuals turned down, but if I can turn off other people's sound fx I haven't found it, and the sound of several other people crafting near me while some other people spam their tank abilities over and over was nothing short of detrimental to my health. A quiet house, decorated and lit the way I want it to be, with my garden plot to help me farm more of my mats was perfection and I get why people also want one, whether or not they have neuro issues. Having seen FCs that failed and took my FC room with it, I get the argument against that as a primary housing source as well. Sometimes I just also do not want to be in a FC, because frankly I get exhausted of trying to communicate with so many different types of people and just need left alone for a month.

That being said, if Squenix told me tomorrow that they were killing off my ward and I had to give up my house to see a better system that treats everyone fairly implemented, I'd do it in an instant. There's no benefit to my ward other than my house is there. The FC's seem dead and no one talks. I've /greeted everyone I've seen at the MB and not once got any degree of a response from them, apart from them running off after being done with the board. I'm not mad about it, but personally I *cannot* take it seriously when people insist wards are necessary for the community. Maybe on RP worlds but that itself is a minority, of a minority. Heck, the plot across from mine is a venue that I have visited several times only to find it dead and empty, and I never see it in PF.

Here's hoping Squenix finally decides to stop gating the majority out.

[Jojoya]

I'm in full agreement with you, they want to feel special having something that is gated by sheer luck.

For me, that quit point is just as I've said: I have run out of content I am willing to do because toxic players have ruined end game content for me, and the only other thing I want to enjoy the game as of right now is housing. Unfortunately, I was gated out by someone luckier than myself.

Have you checked the other housing districts this week? Plots did become vacant as players that weren't affected by the bug were able to relocate and they should be part of the next lottery. A surprising number of mediums and larges opened on Coeurl (not to mention all the smalls) and some of them are even in wards 19-24.

Toxic people are part of the online environment because there's usually no consequences for their behavior. It's really not any better anywhere else, and frequently it's worse. The only way to avoid them is to turn off social media and stay offline all together. Or at least try to find a circle of gaming friends who play around the same time you do so you can play with them instead of taking your chances with random groups.

[Sythex]

Have you checked the other housing districts this week?

I have actually, but even of I place a bid, there aren't that many openings on Hyperion and I have to contend with that many more people who didn't get mediums in Empyrium. I'd have to be really lucky.

[Oizen]

I'm pretty sure every single house is going to be sold in every ward by the 2nd bidding cycle, and then you wont see any more go up for a very long time.

This is somehow acceptable by the development team.

[SilverSp]

I'll bet a good chunk of that minority who wants to keep things as they are are people who are already benefitting from private housing and the rest are people who just don't care about housing. What they need to realize is that some people want housing because it's a casual experience. I know for me, there is a lot of content (such as savage raids) that I do not want to participate in because PF savage raids left a bad taste in my mouth and damaged my confidence in playing the game up to elitist standards.

The only people who are saying "keep it as it is " are the people who already own multiple plots across multiple characters with fc and single character while others suffer and never get to enjoy housing while paying same sub as everyone else to get access to the game. If they were on everyone else's boat they'd be saying opposite i promise you