What has gotten into the community these days?

[BrokentoothMarch]

I don't know, every time I think of how bad times seem now, I just think about how a six month content drought with the worst, most unhealthy raid tier in this game's history was followed up by two pieces of content that were universally reviled (the Diadem and 3.1 relic grind) and one that was reviled by everyone who didn't like mindlessly grinding (PoTD) and I wonder if it's even nearly as bad. People who think it's even comparable are either misremembering or weren't around. And while I don't want to sound like some boomer who's all "your problems don't matter because mine were worse LOL" (let's be real, I probably have already), I take a little issue with people thinking that which is par for the course is the sign of some downward trend.

It's really not. A string of awful decisions followed by a massive damage control patch or two is just this game's MO.

Maybe you're a smarter frog? I've been personally ranting about it since the tail end of StB and I still get a bit starry eyed over HW, as naive as that may be. So sadly, I think you and I agree so much that we simply don't have insight on what the other camp believes. I've tried feeding my own beliefs on why this is suddenly massive, but ultimately they're also guesses. I just know as much as you do and, apparently, am about as frustrated too.

[AziraSyuren]

Maybe you're a smarter frog? I've been personally ranting about it since the tail end of StB and I still get a bit starry eyed over HW, as naive as that may be. So sadly, I think you and I agree so much that we simply don't have insight on what the other camp believes. I've tried feeding my own beliefs on why this is suddenly massive, but ultimately they're also guesses. I just know as much as you do and, apparently, am about as frustrated too.

I guess I am just a smarter frog. Unlike a lot of people here, I actually have the sense to quit for months and years at a time whenever I don't have a raid group and am tired of playing the game or don't like its direction KEKW

There's honestly no period of time I'm starry-eyed over because I feel as if I was thrown into the ringer during the aforementioned 3.0-3.1 period and quickly learned to adjust my expectations accordingly. Maybe this'll be the wake-up call that a lot of people need to realize what kind of game this is- i.e. one you can't really have any expectations for and is just kinda there. I feel the game gets a lot more enjoyable with this mindset.

When did you join the game? If you started around 3.3-3.5 then you actually did start around the period where the largest number of unambiguously positive changes happened to the game, especially if you didn't raid that much so you didn't have to experience the complete and utter disaster that was the Coven weapons and RNG starsomething gear or whatever it was called.

[BrokentoothMarch]

I guess I am just a smarter frog. Unlike a lot of people here, I actually have the sense to quit for months and years at a time whenever I don't have a raid group and am tired of playing the game or don't like its direction KEKW

There's honestly no period of time I'm starry-eyed over because I feel as if I was thrown into the ringer during the aforementioned 3.0-3.1 period and quickly learned to adjust my expectations accordingly. Maybe this'll be the wake-up call that a lot of people need to realize what kind of game this is- i.e. one you can't really have any expectations for and is just kinda there. I feel the game gets a lot more enjoyable with this mindset.

When did you join the game? If you started around 3.3-3.5 then you actually did start around the period where the largest number of unambiguously positive changes happened to the game, especially if you didn't raid that much so you didn't have to experience the complete and utter disaster that was the Coven weapons and RNG starsomething gear or whatever it was called.

If memory serves, I joined during the middle to tail-end of the HW expansion, though I played extremely casually and lightly the whole way through. Adored every bit of it. I started playing far more consistently and 'MMO-y' come later in Stormblood and only began engaging in higher end content at ShB. Sadly, it really feels like maybe I did that because I kept running out of things to do rather than any actual push of self-improvement or interest in high end stuff. Though given how jaded I've become, I can't even motivate myself to do Endsinger EX now.

I do admit, I was in love the moment I joined and only grew to adore the game more as time went on. Then Stormblood released. And it feels like nearly every decisions since then has been a test of that love. Ah well. PvP is kind of fun now, at least, and I'm a fan of the alliance raid. But now I'm back to doing nothing. Making gil? To what end? I have an apartment and I'm moving in with my wife in an Ishgardian home she managed to win despite the shitshow. I'm getting my Animal Crossing kicks messing with that, but it's quickly becoming apparent that if I want something more potent in the combat department that I should instead succumb to the siren's song of Guild Wars 2. There will be no social aspect or design like FFXIV where it can be properly replaced, so I'm not quite pushed to the edge of quitting just yet. Also I really like being a lalafell. Just stop testing me, devs. I just want to love your game.

EDIT: Also what a poor choice to compare Island Sanctuary to Animal Crossing. I've been playing the AC series since Wild World. I expect this comparison to not be hollow, but in my heart of hearts, I know it'll be a disappointment and nonsensical comparison Yoshi made.

[MsQi]

Funny how there is more vague discussion of supposed impropriety than actual impropriety.

[drtasteyummy]

1. A lot of people feel like the quality is not up to the standard and were also unhappy with EW paired with the recent hype gives the picture that SE is going for the Robert Kotick route.

2. PvP always, always, and in every game introduce this toxicity particularly if your success it based on another humans performance. It's the ultimate ego funnel and shouldn't really come to a surprise.

3. A forum always seems like bad place because it's the community voice vectored towards the devs and the unhappier they are the uglier it becomes and right now people are unhappy not enough that they really revolt but enough that
it's not a fluffy puffy world anymore.

[CrownySuccubus]

I don't know, every time I think of how bad times seem now, I just think about how a six month content drought with the worst, most unhealthy raid tier in this game's history was followed up by two pieces of content that were universally reviled (the Diadem and 3.1 relic grind) and one that was reviled by everyone who didn't like mindlessly grinding (PoTD) and I wonder if it's even nearly as bad. People who think it's even comparable are either misremembering or weren't around. And while I don't want to sound like some boomer who's all "your problems don't matter because mine were worse LOL" (let's be real, I probably have already), I take a little issue with people thinking that which is par for the course is the sign of some downward trend.

It's really not. A string of awful decisions followed by a massive damage control patch or two is just this game's MO.

Yeah, this is my main problem whenever fandoms start descending into "this is proof that the game is DOOOOOMED" levels of negativity. Every single problem starts to be viewed as a harbinger of the end times and everybody sees THEIR personal pet peeve as the back-breaking straw.

It's like watching a group that predicted the end of the world in 1989, then 1999, then 2012, then 2020, and so on, and then when the world FINALLY does end in 2392, they're like: "See!? We TOLD you the end was nigh!"

If you predict the end enough times and ignore all of the times you were wrong, eventually, one of them will be right.

[MagicalChase]

Feels like this tension was inevitable. Too many people have been beating down others with their toxic positivity for too long. I know I've been sick of it for years. Now people are finally getting sick of it and the fighting has begun.

[Retrisar]

there's any point of this topic ?

[IdowhatIwant]

The forums these days.... Hm.... I almost miss the troll post spam.... almost.

Let's see....

1) Taking a game so seriously that you insult other people over it
2) Being condescending, insulting, and/or overly aggressive to people who do not share your opinion or dare to be positive/negative

????

Yikes. maybe the stress has gotten to people with all that's going on in the world, which, yeah understandable, but jiminy Christmas, everyone here needs to take a step back and relax.

Housing, glamour, job balancing, etc etc needs work, yes, but that doesn't excuse spewing vitriol at each other.
The people on this forum are not your enemies, they are fellow human beings who want to play this game and have fun, just like you do.

Please, try to be kind to each other.

The people on this forum aren't my friends either. I will continue to do what I want and not care while you continue to try and dictate what others do.

So my advice to you is that, as long as they are not been toxic or aggressive, what is wrong with their opinion or so you called 'over reaction'? it does not concern you at all.

so mind your own business is the best thing you can do.

well, first I did not say anything wrong, I just express my own opinion, if you think this is not allowed then ask yourself why you are so easily bothered and offended? maybe it is your problem rather than other people.

So toxic and aggresive.

[Jin-]

there's any point of this topic ?

Nope, only tries to have moral superiority over others