Compiled SAM threads against 6.1 changes / Kaiten removal

[TheDustyOne]

I’ve never understood the logic of “if you don’t like it don’t press it” (this is entirely independent of Kaiten)

I mean every button is theoretically optional but we still flame cure 1 spammers and hakaze spammers

In a game with solved static rotations nothing is actually optional unless you are happy with your party members just being leeches

It's more of a gradation rather than a simple "don't like it don't use it". The loss of not using Kaiten and using it on Shinten instead was only a handful of potency per minute, while spamming Cure I is straight up ignoring the rest of the kit. Where that line between "unacceptable play" and "acceptable play" is will vary from person to person and party to party. I'm not gonna yell at someone for parsing green, even if that's a sign that they're not playing their job particularly well. As long as the Samurai is doing above tank levels of damage in casual content I won't complain.

????? How is that problem solved? I used kaiten every time it was a damage boost because I want to play optimally despite thinking it had a stupid animation and was a waste of a keybind.

Hence the qualifier of "and didn't care that you'd be doing less damage". If you do want to do top damage, then use everything in the kit to its fullest, otherwise complaining about it sounds like you want the rewards without the same effort. Stupid animation is also highly subjective and most of Samurais kit has over the top unrealistic animations made based on anime/pop culture tropes.

Wanna know how the problem was solved? The dev team removed the button. There are very few people who actually fit into this "and didn't care that you'd be doing less damage" category

And in turn made the new problems of Shinten spam and a meaningless Kenki mechanic. As for the not caring about doing less damage, the average expert party I end up in seems to be counter to that with how long pulls go for; people just try their best with the tools they've got, if they find something annoying to do, they just don't do it. People only truly care for subpar damage when doing extreme and up.

[HikariKurosawa]

It's more of a gradation rather than a simple "don't like it don't use it". The loss of not using Kaiten and using it on Shinten instead was only a handful of potency per minute, while spamming Cure I is straight up ignoring the rest of the kit. Where that line between "unacceptable play" and "acceptable play" is will vary from person to person and party to party. I'm not gonna yell at someone for parsing green, even if that's a sign that they're not playing their job particularly well. As long as the Samurai is doing above tank levels of damage in casual content I won't complain.



Hence the qualifier of "and didn't care that you'd be doing less damage". If you do want to do top damage, then use everything in the kit to its fullest, otherwise complaining about it sounds like you want the rewards without the same effort. Stupid animation is also highly subjective and most of Samurais kit has over the top unrealistic animations made based on anime/pop culture tropes.



And in turn made the new problems of Shinten spam and a meaningless Kenki mechanic. As for the not caring about doing less damage, the average expert party I end up in seems to be counter to that with how long pulls go for; people just try their best with the tools they've got, if they find something annoying to do, they just don't do it. People only truly care for subpar damage when doing extreme and up.

Too bad so sad, kaiten is gone and it's not coming back. Devs agree with me not you.

[HikariKurosawa]

Time to let the thread die I guess LOL. Sorry for your loss but the game must move forward.

[CelestiCer]

Too bad so sad, kaiten is gone and it's not coming back. Devs agree with me not you.

Plenty didn't expect Kaiten to come back, but what we see is also not really an improvement either. We were expecting the meme's to happen which it did...

- Extra Ogi Namikiri Slash
- 4th Eye prediction, we got upgraded 3rd Eye
- New Midare well its a New animation
- Probably no Kaiten, and that's also true

Reading the Dev's like a book. We already know what's coming. I already don't even need to look at the WAR changes and its probably more Fell Cleaving. There's also this change...



Idk who asked for more simplification but it's more so seeing how this will work out for AoE Samurai feel. This doesn't look like an improvement either it even looks unnecessary but it shouldn't change Samurai to much. They did mention Guren / Senei faster recast timer trait? but again wait and see

Overall Conclusion? not impressed, I don't see anything that improves the Job so far in terms of Gameplay. All we get to see so far is Samurai being more sparkly. For some that might be a win I guess.

Time to let the thread die I guess LOL. Sorry for your loss but the game must move forward.

You're the one bumping it twice XD

[Wyssahtyn]

"please wait two to three years for us to focus on job reworks"

it's amazing that the developers can unironically say this. and in the mean time they simply triple down on simplifying everything? what does that say about their supposed reworks then, i sincerely doubt that they are going to go on a complete one eighty from this current philosophy.

[Aelin_Ashryver]

Sam looks worth a try in DT for me, the only thing I dislike is the new animation for Midare Setsugekka! Yoshi P said they wouldn't change something so good as Fell Cleave but I feel Midare Setsugekka falls in the same category!! It's a clean and satisfying animation and the new one feels a bit messy.

[RyuuZero]

I'll mentally prepare myself for a 6.0 Launch NIN Situation.

[RyuuZero]

Yoshi P said they wouldn't change something so good as Fell Cleave but I feel Midare Setsugekka falls in the same category!! It's a clean and satisfying animation and the new one feels a bit messy.

if that would be true, Kaiten wouldn't have been removed

[ThorneDynasty]

"please wait two to three years for us to focus on job reworks"

it's amazing that the developers can unironically say this. and in the mean time they simply triple down on simplifying everything? what does that say about their supposed reworks then, i sincerely doubt that they are going to go on a complete one eighty from this current philosophy.

What if I told you this was a smokescreen and we can look forward to 3 more years every single bit of criticism being stonewalled by "well the devs said they'd fix that in 8.0 so shut up" and then nothing is fixed.

Because that's about how it has worked so far whenever we get a shit-sandwich of a job design that's supposed to be a base for future improvements.

[HikariKurosawa]

"please wait two to three years for us to focus on job reworks"

it's amazing that the developers can unironically say this. and in the mean time they simply triple down on simplifying everything? what does that say about their supposed reworks then, i sincerely doubt that they are going to go on a complete one eighty from this current philosophy.

They can though. The new combo system where buttons are tied together paired with shoha being merged into one ability for single target and aoe on top of meikyo + tsubame being linked making drift less likely to occur create the opportunity for the devs to add far more to the kit. They have to see how these systems are received and give us time to adjust to the new way the game is played, but there are a ton of keybinds freed up now. It is safe to say that the button bloat problem in this game is solved, which means they can add more to the kit without bloating it.

Sam looks worth a try in DT for me, the only thing I dislike is the new animation for Midare Setsugekka! Yoshi P said they wouldn't change something so good as Fell Cleave but I feel Midare Setsugekka falls in the same category!! It's a clean and satisfying animation and the new one feels a bit messy.

I agree. I do not like the new midare at all. It's actually gaudy even if you ignore the 3 swords in the animation.