Compiled SAM threads against 6.1 changes / Kaiten removal

[RyuuZero]

feels way better to do shinten after every iaijutsu than it did to use weeb poser swordsman kaiten animation before midare. i always hated the kaiten animation and will be disappointed if they ever bring it back.

you must have the time of your life then. Ever thought about the concept of actively breathing to your attacks to make them stronger? within those 2+ years Kenki was used simply for 25 Kenki Burst, before 6.1 however Kenki complemented All Weaponskills for just a 20 Kenki Boost, so if you prefer to use less Kenki as Samurai, just play Samurai on lvl50, that's totally fine.. Though It's true, if a Kaiten buffed Iaijutsu/Ogi didn't crit it was bad, even if it felt good regardless but that could've been addressed with the guarantee'd Crit changes by changing Kaiten's 50% Damage Buff into Direct Hit, suddenly every Good Samurai dishes out Direct Crit Iaijutsu&Ogi while actively managing the Kenki Gauge. With Shinten, there is less Kenki Interaction in general and no utility since Shinten has no interaction with Weaponskills what so ever. Wanting Kaiten Back is wanting the Synergy of Kenki and Weaponskills back.

[HikariKurosawa]

you must have the time of your life then. Ever thought about the concept of actively breathing to your attacks to make them stronger? within those 2+ years Kenki was used simply for 25 Kenki Burst, before 6.1 however Kenki complemented All Weaponskills for just a 20 Kenki Boost, so if you prefer to use less Kenki as Samurai, just play Samurai on lvl50, that's totally fine.. Though It's true, if a Kaiten buffed Iaijutsu/Ogi didn't crit it was bad, even if it felt good regardless but that could've been addressed with the guarantee'd Crit changes by changing Kaiten's 50% Damage Buff into Direct Hit, suddenly every Good Samurai dishes out Direct Crit Iaijutsu&Ogi while actively managing the Kenki Gauge. With Shinten, there is less Kenki Interaction in general and no utility since Shinten has no interaction with Weaponskills what so ever. Wanting Kaiten Back is wanting the Synergy of Kenki and Weaponskills back.

Yeah, not interested in swinging my sword around like a weeb. You end up using more kenki the way it is now because you don't have to worry about having kenki to buff midare or ogi namikiri. Plus, like you said "Though It's true, if a Kaiten buffed Iaijutsu/Ogi didn't crit it was bad"

Nobody was using kaiten for any weaponskill other than midare or ogi namikiri.

"Ever thought about the concept of actively breathing to your attacks to make them stronger?" no because demon slayer is an overrated anime

At the end of the day, kaiten is gone and it's for the best. It is not coming back and it will be a loss for the job identity if it does come back. It doesn't fit the ideology of samurai at all.

[DRKoftheAzure]

Nobody was using kaiten for any weaponskill other than midare or ogi namikiri.

People like me using Kaiten for combo finishers during Meikyo Shisui after generating enough Kenki and only using Shinten to not over cap: Am I a joke to you...?

[HikariKurosawa]

People like me using Kaiten for combo finishers during Meikyo Shisui after generating enough Kenki and only using Shinten to not over cap: Am I a joke to you...?

to be honest, yes. that use case is a joke to me. you would have got more potency using shinten instead.

[Ggwppino]

So suddenly yesterday it occurred to me that literally there are 5 buttons that could be merged into 3 without changing the feel of sam, and they still chose to delete kaiten lol

[DRKoftheAzure]

to be honest, yes. that use case is a joke to me. you would have got more potency using shinten instead.

Did you ask for the removal of Kaiten...? Because I am pretty sure NO ONE else asked for the removal of Kaiten.

[TheDustyOne]

feels way better to do shinten after every iaijutsu than it did to use weeb poser swordsman kaiten animation before midare. i always hated the kaiten animation and will be disappointed if they ever bring it back.

See, the great thing about a skill like Kaiten is if you didn't like it and didn't care that you'd be doing less damage, you could just, you know, not use it.

There we go, problem solved, everyone else gets some skill expression for Kenki management and you get to ignore an animation you dislike. Instead it sounds like you're complaining that everyone else shouldn't have fun because you don't like a particular animation.

[Supersnow845]

I’ve never understood the logic of “if you don’t like it don’t press it” (this is entirely independent of Kaiten)

I mean every button is theoretically optional but we still flame cure 1 spammers and hakaze spammers

In a game with solved static rotations nothing is actually optional unless you are happy with your party members just being leeches

[HikariKurosawa]

See, the great thing about a skill like Kaiten is if you didn't like it and didn't care that you'd be doing less damage, you could just, you know, not use it.

There we go, problem solved, everyone else gets some skill expression for Kenki management and you get to ignore an animation you dislike. Instead it sounds like you're complaining that everyone else shouldn't have fun because you don't like a particular animation.

????? How is that problem solved? I used kaiten every time it was a damage boost because I want to play optimally despite thinking it had a stupid animation and was a waste of a keybind.

Wanna know how the problem was solved? The dev team removed the button. There are very few people who actually fit into this "and didn't care that you'd be doing less damage" category

Did you ask for the removal of Kaiten...? Because I am pretty sure NO ONE else asked for the removal of Kaiten.

I have a feeling that I did, but maybe I am mistaken. Just like you probably are by stating "I am pretty sure NO ONE else asked for the removal of Kaiten."

[RyuuZero]

????? How is that problem solved? I used kaiten every time it was a damage boost because I want to play optimally despite thinking it had a stupid animation and was a waste of a keybind.

so you were playing optimally and that was a bad thing? sounds to me like you didn't enjoy to play samurai in the first place. Hey! Viper may got you covered ^^ but I gotta repeat myself: "Ever thought about the concept of actively breathing to your attacks to make them stronger?" That was Kaiten's Logic. You sure did your fundamental lvl50 rotation but Kaiten backed with the Kenki Resource put a literal twist on The Samurai Gameplay. The Only One who thinks that's weeb is you. but Hey! Tomorrow is the Day of the Crossroads of Destiny! 2 more years of the Shinten Spam or Return of Kaiten.