Compiled SAM threads against 6.1 changes / Kaiten removal

[CelestiCer]

Out of curiosity, I made short script which takes all mentions of Kaiten/SAM from twitch chat, from LL 68 to 78 and patch notes reading streams 6.1 - 6.4. It's really primitive script which just checks if there is mention of either "kaiten", "回天" (Kaiten in JP), "sam " (with space to prevent catching words like "same"), "samurai" and "shinten". So it's very primitive, and unfortunately it seems that youtube deleted old chats, so it's from twitch only, which is more skewed towards EN playerbase. Not like it matters, it's just for fun. I tried some auto translation for JP comments, which as you would expect, is terrible. Things like "return the heaven" or "motions in the sky" seems to refer to Kaiten in this random translator I was using.

Some notes:
Announcement that Kaiten will depart from Grey Heavens was at LL 70. You can see than nobody was talking about SAM in 68 and 69. Almost as if everything was fine and dandy. Oh boy, we didn't know what was coming. LL 70 had 48 mentions of SAM (some of them were about Sam Carter, it's really just primitive 30 lines short script). Comments were pretty mixed. Comment "Ok kaiten removed....dont know what to think about that..." describes that situation perfectly.

6.1 Patch notes reading stream comes. 199 comments, alot of them japanese because EN coverage in these stream is even worse than in LLs. Keep in mind that patch wasn't even live, and yet people came to better solutions. Solutions which are still proposed today:


Well, LL 71 comes, and people had more than enough time to try out the changes. 133 comments, which are clearly skewed more into the negative territory. LL 72 comes, with 119 comments and similar vibes, there were even some signs of discussions:


After that, copium runs out and then there is usually just 40-50 comments in the next LLs. Which is still much more than before the changes, but well, it just shows that SE's tactic of ignoring issues until majority gives up works.

Anyways, here is pastebin with the comments, if you want to check them out.

nice signature xP mhm

[Theodric_Thorne]

Pleasantly surprised to see people are still keeping up the good fight in here. Maybe in Dawntrail we can at least get rid of Shoha II, if not get Kaiten back in its place. I don't really know what more they could add to our kit at this point, for level 100.

This is more for DPS classes in general, but I actually have a big problem with how incomplete the other DPS jobs feel at 50 compared to where SAM starts at 50. Instead of more abilities I'd rather have SE look at certain abilities being added way too late for certain jobs, making lots of levels feel like filler and making the class feel incomplete even as you're completing the first storyline of the game. DRG sticks out off the top of my head, it has no AoE rotation at 50 while SAM has a complete one.

[CelestiCer]

Pleasantly surprised to see people are still keeping up the good fight in here. Maybe in Dawntrail we can at least get rid of Shoha II, if not get Kaiten back in its place. I don't really know what more they could add to our kit at this point, for level 100.

This is more for DPS classes in general, but I actually have a big problem with how incomplete the other DPS jobs feel at 50 compared to where SAM starts at 50. Instead of more abilities I'd rather have SE look at certain abilities being added way too late for certain jobs, making lots of levels feel like filler and making the class feel incomplete even as you're completing the first storyline of the game. DRG sticks out off the top of my head, it has no AoE rotation at 50 while SAM has a complete one.

Made sure the Kaiten cosplayer was posted on the general subsection as it is way more active. Although Honestly at this point? to me I just don't want to see any more Job simplifications in general as it's Job design direction currently seems lacking compared to what it can be.

Link to the thread here ->" G-give it Back T---T; !! "

And I'm very glad to see support brought to it, mhm

[Alex1337]

I'd like it to return, wouldn't mind another button to press and the animation is still 10/10 but at this point I think I would rather they fixed other things.

Tsubame/Kaeshi is bad, its a desperate attempt to 1. Pad our "strong gcds" in damage windows and 2. Reduce the eggs you put in a singular basket for RNG by dividing it in 2; historically for the direct crit, now just the direct. At this point make Iki 1 min and 1 hit so our 1 min is more than essentially Tsubame and re-apply Bana, idk lol.

Make meditate useful and USEABLE (the same can be said for anatman) in down time so we have more flexibility to use Mekyo for funky re-openers. Currently if downtime exceeds 40 secs you essentially barely have a choice depending on your SEN state. BLM is literally the only job has a useful downtime tool, I suppose NIN too.

We are LITERALLY the only melee dps that has to run up to the boss for the opener: NIN - Ranged attack as 1st gcd DRG - Gap close MNK - Gap close RPR - Ranged attack + Gap close.. come on.

+ all the other obvious stuff.

Stop adding charges to things be more creative idk.

[Wyssahtyn]

There's a survey for the 10th anniversary up on the lodestone. They ask about your main job and have a 500 character section that you could probably use to forward feedback about it. Also the last question is on what you feel about XIV, iirc, so could be an opportunity to express dissatisfaction with the game in general. Chances are that it'll probably be dismissed and the main job choice will just be used to inflate whatever metrics they use so they can double down on their current design philosophy though.

Here's the link: https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...4ba63654853c07

Also it's open until the 22nd of September.

[Tetsujin]

There's a survey for the 10th anniversary up on the lodestone. They ask about your main job and have a 500 character section that you could probably use to forward feedback about it. Also the last question is on what you feel about XIV, iirc, so could be an opportunity to express dissatisfaction with the game in general. Chances are that it'll probably be dismissed and the main job choice will just be used to inflate whatever metrics they use so they can double down on their current design philosophy though.

Here's the link: https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...4ba63654853c07

Also it's open until the 22nd of September.

Damn, you beat me to it. I expressed my love for SAM and a few grievances including the Kaiten removal. Hopefully someone someday reads it.

[CelestiCer]

[Wyssahtyn]

comes back just to get removed in 7.0

[RyuuZero]

That would rise the Endwalker Stonks KEKW xD"

[AnimaJan]

Well, it doesn't seem it's gonna be back just yet. I made an account in the forums just to complain about Kaiten, I want Kaiten back before 7.0 and I want it to stay.