Compiled SAM threads against 6.1 changes / Kaiten removal

[CelestiCer]

Added the most recent threads plus updated all threads in " Chronological order " as well as sections.

• Thread before 6.1, before Kaiten removal
• Thread after 6.1, after Kaiten removal
• Thread after 6.11's lazy potency adjustments
• Video Feedback of Youtbers at the end

Left " Reserved " sections in case Square somehow manages to mess up our Job even further this expansion cause... wouldn't surprise me if they managed to do so.

I apologize if there are any mistakes with the dates or order, or if I missed a thread. Do help remind me if did so. Took some time and effort to do, but peanuts compared to all of you who together voiced their concerns and feedback, a huge thank you to everyone.

[FrogBiscuit]

Thanks for your efforts and dedication.

My sub is still running... (Probably should just pause it... But didn't really make the choice to quit. Just have been bored and aimless) I simply found myself playing other things after a couple weeks of 6.1.

Wont stop me from frequenting the forums and checking patch notes though, as I stay hopeful. Much rather be enjoying the game I know, rather then feeling aimless in my choice of entertainment.

[Tetsujin]

Samurai has been my main since DRG got gutted and made baby piss easy(er) in Stormblood, so I'm really glad you're compiling these. Kaiten removals is horrible, this was the only class holding up for me since they also ruined everything else I liked. DRK, MCH, MNK, etc.

[AndreasSolaria]

Been playing SAM since the start, even in 2.0 in my heart.

This was a straight massacre on my boy. Losing Kaiten was so pointless. It's not fun anymore. The job doesn't flow as well. The reasons for removing it were bad. The reasons to try and balance around its removal was bad.

Kaiten was one of the more visually spectacular yet paradoxically low key skill we had, and the animation vs global cooldown timings made it flow to a degree of art.

It was the build up to the climax of our big hits; the drop before the bass; the lead up to the musical crescendo.

To heap on to removing a wonderful skill that is as core to SAM identity as Midare, they also destroyed the other big adrenaline boosting factor, the other main identity of SAM, which are the large single numbers.

Nobody asked for this. Samurai did not need this. If reducing actions was all that was needed, there were several other routes to take.

Shoha could have been upgraded to Shoha II, by having single target with % falloff mathed in like the rest of similar abilities -- including Guren! -- or Tsubame could have been rolled into Iaijutsu just like Ogi Namikiri and Kaeshi: Namikiri work together.

There was no reason to destroy Samurai identity. This is not a mid-expansion patch change, and this is also an incomplete change. To remove Kaiten and have a good flowing SAM would require a more thought out rework, and those should happen for the launch of an expansion or with special focus paid on the job like before.

Samurai was in a very good state in terms of its gameplay. It wasn't as good as it was in Stormblood, but it was better than it was in Shadowbringers.

Now it's like the development team is trying to take what didn't work from Stormblood and what didn't work from Shadowbringers and add an extra layer to what doesn't work by removing Kaiten.

At this point, my entire character identity has been built around Samurai. I am not a meta chaser. I have played it through the good times and the bad times. I can't make myself play other jobs, even though I try. They don't appeal to me, and I don't see myself playing them for any length of time. Worse still, I no longer even have the motivation to push forward and do the ultimate I was waiting for.

But the problem is, now my character identity has been harshly murdered, I do not find it flows well and I actively called this when I saw the changes because I had memed this very scenario over the years on dummies. Congratulations SE; this is the first time in years I am considering not paying my sub, even though my house has kept me here during downtimes. This feels like when Blizzard destroyed my classes many times and told me to hit the road.

I hit that road, and I haven't been back in years.

Agree with you, samurai is my indentity (toyohiza shimazu)
The changes nobody asked this, huge shoot on foot

[CelestiCer]

Was reading parts of the Japanese forums on Samurai changes and how theyw ant it to be reverted -> " https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post5954540 "

Using auto translation with " https://translate.google.com/?sl=auto&tl=en&op=websites ", yeah... also... I can see what people mean with mega threads.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...%83%AC/page213 <- this being about around where 6.1 happened at April 11th and the JP players started posting their feedback.

[Quor]

Was reading parts of the Japanese forums on Samurai changes and how theyw ant it to be reverted -> " https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post5954540 "

Using auto translation with " https://translate.google.com/?sl=auto&tl=en&op=websites ", yeah... also... I can see what people mean with mega threads.

" Click Here " <- this being about around where 6.1 happened at April 11th and the JP players started posting their feedback.

That final link of yours isn't working for some reason Cel. I've been browsing the JP megathread a lot more though; whoever mentioned DeepL translator thank you, that thing is much cleaner than google translate.

[CelestiCer]

That final link of yours isn't working for some reason Cel. I've been browsing the JP megathread a lot more though; whoever mentioned DeepL translator thank you, that thing is much cleaner than google translate.

I updated it. It wasn't working due to the Japanese letters being used as a link? but its working or it should work o/

[Vencio]

How about no?

It was removed & it still works just fine,

But please keep up with more posts,

I can smile & see that its already gone

[Kaseladen]

How about no?

It was removed & it still works just fine,

But please keep up with more posts,

I can smile & see that its already gone

You seem like a broken person
So instead, yes

[Vencio]

It’s already gone,

No amount of posts may bring any awareness than just repetitions of the exact same posts it grows old & boring.

For now we don’t have it, stick to that