Compiled SAM threads against 6.1 changes / Kaiten removal

**Kazimere** · 05-25-2022 04:23 AM

Originally Posted by KurenXIV

I did, that's what it shows me. I dunno what to tell ya "bruh" ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Dunno what to tell ya then. You're wrong though, but you keep thinking what you want.

**Kazimere** · 05-25-2022 04:24 AM

Originally Posted by KurenXIV

Kazimere big mad that his brain dead RPR isn't top DPS lol

Sam big mad that their not a lock for speed anymore.

**KurenXIV** · 05-25-2022 04:33 AM

Originally Posted by Kazimere

Sam big mad that their not a lock for speed anymore.

SAM was never a lock for prog/speed clears though?

I also like how your attempt at a comeback completely shows your inability to understand the issue players have with the changes.

Kazimere displaying his immense big brain RPR knowledge for us all to see everyone! It's truly a sight to behold lol.

Edit: also for someone who likes to insult other for grammar you should learn the difference between "their" and "they're".

**cjbeagle** · 05-25-2022 04:38 AM

Originally Posted by Kazimere

There hasn't been Kenki management since SE made it so you got the maximum amount of potency so long as you were in combo. So, ShB launch? Each Sen gained gave you enough Kenki to use Kiaten. In EW you had to REALLY try to not have Kenki for Kaiten. No, there was no management and claiming that Kaiten's removal simplifies things is disingenuous. That isn't subjective.

Good, your burst needed to be clipped. That is not subjective.

The other claims are just fluff that were tied to Kenki "management," which I have refuted. Try harder.

As for kenki management, it isn't about how much you generate, it's about not using Shinten mindlessly and thereby screwing yourself by not having enough for Kaiten when you need it for Iaijutsu and Ogi Namikiri, and now using Shinten mindlessly is exactly what we're left with.

The current state is literally what you had to do to fail at kenki management previously - if you don't see that as a degradation, you're the one who's being disingenuous.

Whether or not you think our burst needed to be lowered is both irrelevant and subjective, but even if it did need to be lowered, that doesn't refute the idea that lowering the importance of coordinated burst windows dumbs down the gameplay, let alone objectively refute it.

Lastly, you didn't address the removal of choice on how or when to spend kenki, and those aren't just fluff tied to kenki management - they're the difference between kenki being part of the rotation as opposed to just mindless spam.

**Quor** · 05-25-2022 05:43 AM

Originally Posted by Kazimere

There hasn't been Kenki management since SE made it so you got the maximum amount of potency so long as you were in combo. So, ShB launch? Each Sen gained gave you enough Kenki to use Kiaten. In EW you had to REALLY try to not have Kenki for Kaiten. No, there was no management and claiming that Kaiten's removal simplifies things is disingenuous. That isn't subjective.

Good, your burst needed to be clipped. That is not subjective.

The other claims are just fluff that were tied to Kenki "management," which I have refuted. Try harder.

Potency boosts for positionals in place of boosted Kenki management was added with 6.0, which was also the patch that added in the current problem of "damage variance" via the second charges on Meikyo and Kaeshi as well as the advent of Ogi Namikiri. Which is why a number of us have been advocating for going back PAST 6.0 to 5.58 because it's clear that the decisions made in 6.0 set the stage for what happened in 6.1. While most of us would be happy with a 6.08 reversion, if "damage variance" is truly as big a deal as SE says it is then it would be better to cut out the new stuff and instead of deleting a core SAM part that's been in the game since Stormblood. Of course, such a thing is likely impossible. Or, to put it another way, SE has dug themselves into the current hole that SAM is in through their own job design decisions. Their solution to getting out of this hole was to blow a crater in the field so that everything is the same depth as the hole they dug vs. simply filling the hole back in again.

As to your comment about "no Kenki management" that's just plain wrong. As it's been said many, MANY times before, even if it only took one brain cell to manage Kenki before 6.1 then that was still one more braincell than is used mindlessly spamming Shinten.

**xAFROx** · 05-25-2022 06:59 AM

I wonder how long people will keep telling us to shut up, telling us to stop, telling us we're factually wrong about a subjectivity, subjectively inform us we're not being objective about something that we've already spoken about beforehand.

It's nice that the threads are staying active, but I wonder about how toxic every thread is becoming.

If there are those that don't want to look at these, why are they going in and responding and keeping it at the top of the page?

It's simple enough to just not engage if you either don't care or are not interested in what's being said inside.

There isn't much else left for us to objectively say on the matter because it's all been said before. The consistent bumps have been due to the silence on the dev's part after saying to leave our feedback on the forums after trying the changes.

That sentiment of trying to be heard may get lost if we resort to bickering over and over.

**AsiTsurugi** · 05-25-2022 08:52 PM

Originally Posted by xAFROx

I wonder how long people will keep telling us to shut up, telling us to stop, telling us we're factually wrong about a subjectivity, subjectively inform us we're not being objective about something that we've already spoken about beforehand.

It's nice that the threads are staying active, but I wonder about how toxic every thread is becoming.

If there are those that don't want to look at these, why are they going in and responding and keeping it at the top of the page?

It's simple enough to just not engage if you either don't care or are not interested in what's being said inside.

There isn't much else left for us to objectively say on the matter because it's all been said before. The consistent bumps have been due to the silence on the dev's part after saying to leave our feedback on the forums after trying the changes.

That sentiment of trying to be heard may get lost if we resort to bickering over and over.

At least as far as Kazimere is concerned, all his whining on the forums is because of getting muted on the Balance discord. And that happens frequently given the kind of..."human being" he is

**Ruminous** · 05-25-2022 09:07 PM

Originally Posted by AsiTsurugi

At least as far as Kazimere is concerned, all his whining on the forums is because of getting muted on the Balance discord. And that happens frequently given the kind of..."human being" he is

Got muted on the balance discord? Yikes. I can see why, though.

**Vencio** · 05-25-2022 10:43 PM

Alright “Alphinaud” so speaks the volume of those (presumably on your side of “Kaiten” spectrum) that utterly retaliated in the first place due to having a different set of opinions that otherwise are content with the way how SAM is.

You certainly are no different than the whole lot let alone this OP. It’s tiring with the constant labelling of “Troll/Speciment/Not know the job” all while amounting a wall of messages as a display of your ego-centric intellect in the matters of degrading just about anyone.

Then again this is also becoming an entertainment hub in which more individuals are displaying their true colours as I admittedly have with mine’s.

Surprisingly this post hasn’t been taken down yet which should in the first place.

**Martynek** · 05-25-2022 11:19 PM

Originally Posted by AsiTsurugi

At least as far as Kazimere is concerned, all his whining on the forums is because of getting muted on the Balance discord. And that happens frequently given the kind of..."human being" he is

So that's his problem... wonder what's the deal with Knife-ears over here then?

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