Thread: Compiled SAM threads against 6.1 changes / Kaiten removal

Originally Posted by Kazimere

Instead of debating the substance of everything else I said, you attempt to label me as some hypocrite.

What substance?

You claimed that Kaiten was boring - subjective - fine.

You claimed that Kaiten only provided flare.

Originally Posted by cjbeagle

Yes, and since you're apparently too lazy to read the threads, I'll summarize it for you in this one:

- Without Kaiten, kenki management is no longer necessary at all, which dumbs-down the gameplay.
- Without Kaiten, the choice of how to spend kenki no longer exists, which dumbs-down the gameplay.
- Without Kaiten, the choice of when to spend kenki no longer matters, which dumbs-down the gameplay.
- Without Kaiten, Iaijutsu and Ogi Namikiri hit for drastically less than they used to, which makes the job's entire kit feel flat and unsatisfying, and also makes burst windows far less important, which dumbs-down the gameplay.

Also, many players care about the animation and/or audio flourish that Kaiten provided to herald an incoming massive hit - more of a nuanced point, but worth noting.
Also, though many players would probably not notice it consciously, the RDM style action-action-wait- that Kaiten + Iaijutsu [cast] is/was important to feel - again, more of a nuanced point, but worth noting.

That's from this same thread, although such points have been made several if not dozens of times by now. Your claim has already been addressed ad nauseum - no need for further debate, you just needed to read the thread.

You claimed that the samurai community hasn't been able to defend their wishes for Kaiten to be reinstated and merely screech incessantly - our rationale for wanting it back has been articulated many, many times by now - again, you just didn't read the threads.