Compiled SAM threads against 6.1 changes / Kaiten removal

**Vencio** · 07-15-2022 01:31 AM

I am humbled & also delighted to engage on such “incursion” that which plagues most of you all despite the futile attempts.

An entertainment & quite also bothering too; repetitive after repetition.

-sips Elezen fine wine from Ishgard’s best-

Lets carry on

**Ruminous** · 07-15-2022 06:04 AM

Originally Posted by Vencio

I am humbled & also delighted to engage on such “incursion” that which plagues most of you all despite the futile attempts.

An entertainment & quite also bothering too; repetitive after repetition.

-sips Elezen fine wine from Ishgard’s best-

Lets carry on

Your "engagement" is troll responses. Begone, troll. Go back to being the failure you always were.

**Vencio** · 07-15-2022 09:47 PM

Originally Posted by Ruminous

Your "engagement" is troll responses. Begone, troll. Go back to being the failure you always were.

What have I ever done to you?

**Ruminous** · 07-17-2022 05:18 AM

Originally Posted by Vencio

What have I ever done to you?

Nothing really. You dance like a monkey for the spectacle of all, but the routine's getting tired. By the way, did you even bother reading that post at the top of the page? Bet you didn't.

**Selvias** · 07-16-2022 03:33 AM

Bumping the thread with my last vestiges of hope that our cry is heard and addressed. We miss you Kaiten.

**CelestiCer** · 07-17-2022 01:14 AM

Originally Posted by Selvias

Bumping the thread with my last vestiges of hope that our cry is heard and addressed. We miss you Kaiten.

Looks at your Main Class... " Samurai "
Glances over total posts... " 1 "

This hits me at another level... Feels like only yesterday that I made a forum account purely to make my 1st ever forum post for the same exact reason, I miss Kaiten as well...

**Ceridwen** · 07-18-2022 04:15 AM

Originally Posted by CelestiCer

Looks at your Main Class... " Samurai "
Glances over total posts... " 1 "

This hits me at another level... Feels like only yesterday that I made a forum account purely to make my 1st ever forum post for the same exact reason, I miss Kaiten as well...

I'm grateful to those who came in here, loathing forums (God knows, I hate them all with the white-hot intensity of 1000 suns) - and who stick around to make sure it's not forgotten. I have a friend who posted once, decided it was futile and didn't come back to post again - and hasn't touched Samurai since. There are probably many who did the same.

I'm still *displeased* that they so specifically requested feedback, and then said NOTHING after it was overwhelmingly delivered.

That said, I understand forums are whiny, disgruntled over pretty much everything. (though unlike some, I don't feel the need to correct them or tell them how wrong they are to be displeased - that takes a special kind of troll.) So I get why it might take awhile to realize this may be a bit more than the typical whining. I'm finally taking my Lala-Samurai to 90 - I'd put it off with hope, but I'm down to my last 2, and I decided I don't want to finish on something that makes me sad, so it's dragoon to finish instead. I was lucky to take my bunny-Sam while Kaiten still lived.

It's so depressing! So flat, so hollow, so EMPTY. I miss my methodical flourish, that sense there's an art behind the samurai job. I love jobs that seem like they're just flinging themselves into it - but that wasn't the Samurai. They were artists. Now they're just bored, depressed - ex-artists who now do bad art in malls...

**CelestiCer** · 07-19-2022 12:11 AM

Originally Posted by Ceridwen

*snip*.

Was observing discussions on the balance discord, among them " Stella " noting out interesting points. I seem to learn a lot from this individual... 1 stood out for me. " SE's inconsistency in job design. "

Removing Flavor Skills

Kaiten, mostly a flavor skill, removed with 6.1. Reason? button bloat and design restrictions. SE's Reasoning Debunked, but no response to our feedback for months. So? Why only SAM? make it consistent. Remove every flavor skill from all jobs for the same reasons.

Tackling DPS Variance

SAM got hit with the big Auto-Crit changes. Boring, stale gameplay now. So? Make it consistent. All jobs get fixed the same way with auto crits. NIN has the singular biggest variance hit, while BLM has the Highest variance performance, BLM untouched but not SAM? inconsistency.

The summary?

I don't want any other job to get worse cause mine got worse, that solves nothing. But where's the consistency from SE?. Either everything Auto-Crits or not. Every job has Flavor skills or not.

Cause it seems like we're just waiting for the next job(s) to be screwed over every expansion/major-patch change. Players hearing the word " rework " from the dev's in fear of how bad its going to be? is a bad tradition instead of expecting SE to care and give equal attention to each job.

**Ruminous** · 07-19-2022 08:14 AM

Originally Posted by CelestiCer

SAM got hit with the big Auto-Crit changes. Boring, stale gameplay now. So? Make it consistent. All jobs get fixed the same way with auto crits. NIN has the singular biggest variance hit, while BLM has the Highest variance performance, BLM untouched but not SAM? inconsistency.

What, "fix blm" by making it have less variance? You know they wouldn't do that... Not as long as its a job the head honcho plays!

**Renascent** · 07-17-2022 03:26 AM

Letting my voice out that i still hate the change too.
Not a "sam main" but i used sam a lot for casual stuff and i basically do not play it anymore ever, the job after 3 months still feel hollow and well just plainly bad.

I do not enjoy shinten spam at all, it feel even worse on sam than others job with spender like this (ie nin) because you generate so much and the kit doesn't cater to it there is no personal buff to use it on or whatever, it's just mindless boring and the skill became a chore to press w/o kaiten, the others kenki spender don't even matter.

The aoe also feel terrible and i dread taking sam in dungeons, Tenka Goken was one of the few skill that i say was better as a cone, casting in the middle of pack is just bad and the out/in it provided was fun and kinda part of the setup wich felt like it was SAM identity before, kaiten also was a setup move in a way after all and it double down on feeling F L A T.

I genuinely don't care about the auto crit really happy to see it was the only thing "adressed" so far. thought i feel it would be "better" if only Kaeshi Setsugekka and Kaeshi Namikiri had it for people that still like seeing big number sometimes but right now it feel like it's a minor point...

PLEASE HELP SAM.

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