Thread: Compiled SAM threads against 6.1 changes / Kaiten removal

Not just bring Kaiten back, but revert all the changes, period. If PvP can be commented on so quickly by Yoshi-P, then he or someone else on the team needs to properly address the outcry revolving around the changes for Samurai and the worry surrounding their potential changes for Dragoon and any other job classes after that.

Radio silence is only going to make the situation worse. We do not want a handicapped game, we want something with at least some teeth to play around with. And currently, Samurai is walking around looking like a toothless hobo begging anybody to play it.

Bump! I'm just begging for a response from the devs on this. I really miss playing SAM. :'(

‘Our burst needed to be addressed’ 128k hyoshos anyone? With 2 40k raitons and a side of 37k raijus?

Originally Posted by Alex1337

‘Our burst needed to be addressed’

If addressed means removed, then they addressed it alright. 'What burst?' I say.

Originally Posted by xAFROx

If addressed means removed, then they addressed it alright. 'What burst?' I say.

But Midare is 10 potency more than a Kasha or a Gekko plus a Shinten - does that not count as burst?

Originally Posted by cjbeagle

But Midare is 10 potency more than a Kasha or a Gekko plus a Shinten - does that not count as burst?

I don't know if you're adding to my sarcasm or not so I'll just say, 'twas a jest my fellow SAM

I'm bumping this back to the front page.

Recently mind-blown by a discussion on the Balance discord regarding Samurai's
" Damage Variance issue ".

Well... What is this DPS Variance issue?
Fluctuations in DPS equals RNG DPS that players don't fully 100% control affecting logging, parsing, progging and a specific DSR Ultimate mechanic where precise DPS is favored to not wipe the party. Sounds fair. Then I got mindblown by the answer to my next question...

Does DPS variance get in the way of clearing any Content?
" NO ". A hindrance? more difficult? maybe. Impossible? No. And thus I facepalmed>MyDesk>IntoMyface... because reading players argue about it so much made me assume it was something needing fixing. It's not required to be changed to clear any content.

Okey, and this is related to Samurai how?
High Skill potencies = Big hits = Bigger DPS fluctuations. Thus our recent changes Kaiten removal, potency changes, Auto-Crits <- of which none were an issue because we can clear all the content. Is it to nerf? big whoop, we can clear content.

So why did Samurai received changes?
Speculations... it did not improve or made our job more complex just dumber. It could be balancing reasons, or design reasons, rotation restrictive to create new skills for us all a big maybe.


Scratching my head on the why since none of these changes were required to clear content and no one asked... until I do stumble upon conversations of " Kaiten never was interactive anyways "... which makes me stare at my Shinten-Bar and ask how 6.1 no Kaiten is any more interactive then 6.08 with Kaiten.

And the answer I get is a possible overhaul? that is better then what we have now? Great argument... so where is this " better? " or am I supposed to expect this " better Samurai " at 6.2? 7.1? 8.6? 2025?


Possible tinfoil moment here... but I sense players desiring simplifications not just for Samurai from Samurai mains no... but purely cause of anything that stands in the way of a perfect parse. That means any ounce of extra thinking required or room for error that can be erased should be erased, it's a nuisance.

So we love Kaiten, but it gets in the way of a perfect parse so... and I am not saying all high-end players are like this, I am just sadly realizing some players are, thinking this an improvement that defines better and... " Fun Gameplay ".

Originally Posted by CelestiCer

Recently mind-blown by a discussion on the Balance discord regarding Samurai's
" Damage Variance issue ".

Well... What is this DPS Variance issue?
Fluctuations in DPS equals RNG DPS that players don't fully 100% control affecting logging, parsing, progging and a specific DSR Ultimate mechanic where precise DPS is favored to not wipe the party. Sounds fair. Then I got mindblown by the answer to my next question...

Does DPS variance get in the way of clearing any Content?
" NO ". A hindrance? more difficult? maybe. Impossible? No. And thus I facepalmed>MyDesk>IntoMyface... because reading players argue about it so much made me assume it was something needing fixing. It's not required to be changed to clear any content.

Okey, and this is related to Samurai how?
High Skill potencies = Big hits = Bigger DPS fluctuations. Thus our recent changes Kaiten removal, potency changes, Auto-Crits <- of which none were an issue because we can clear all the content. Is it to nerf? big whoop, we can clear content.

So why did Samurai received changes?
Speculations... it did not improve or made our job more complex just dumber. It could be balancing reasons, or design reasons, rotation restrictive to create new skills for us all a big maybe.


Scratching my head on the why since none of these changes were required to clear content and no one asked... until I do stumble upon conversations of " Kaiten never was interactive anyways "... which makes me stare at my Shinten-Bar and ask how 6.1 no Kaiten is any more interactive then 6.08 with Kaiten.

And the answer I get is a possible overhaul? that is better then what we have now? Great argument... so where is this " better? " or am I supposed to expect this " better Samurai " at 6.2? 7.1? 8.6? 2025?


Possible tinfoil moment here... but I sense players desiring simplifications not just for Samurai from Samurai mains no... but purely cause of anything that stands in the way of a perfect parse. That means any ounce of extra thinking required or room for error that can be erased should be erased, it's a nuisance.

So we love Kaiten, but it gets in the way of a perfect parse so... and I am not saying all high-end players are like this, I am just sadly realizing some players are, thinking this an improvement that defines better and... " Fun Gameplay ".

Doing less and having less room for error to show skill is fun? Wow, they must all prefer playing one button phone games, don't they?

6.15 hit our servers, and yet not a single word not a single acknowledgement...

The excuse I read from people defending Square where " changes don't happen on the fly " is literally worth a pile of turds. They can fix and address and apologize for so many recent mess ups and changes.

• Housing Lottery apology
• RMT advertiesments
• PvP Hackings
• Housing Lottery update
• MogStation Emote teacup update
• RMT advertisements again
• Lewd Adventure plates
• 3rd party software usage
• Haven't apologized for something in awhile do that again
• BLM PvP Buffs
• Housing Lottery fix
• RMT advertisements yet again
• BLM PvP Overtuned addressed
• Gotta apologize another time for something
• Announcement of possible new jobs in the works
• Gotta update that Mogstation Lyse attire
• BLM PvP adjustments

And still... still... not an ounce of acknowledgement for the Samurai Changes and F ups, of which they asked feedback for. Really? anyone surprised? no. Radio silence. And that's probably the horrible part of it all isn't it?

We're not surprised to get disappointed anymore, and being let down.