Thread: Compiled SAM threads against 6.1 changes / Kaiten removal

Originally Posted by Naoki34

It's funny that just because you take away a skill, people think it was important to look skilled.

It's a smoothing of gameplay nothing more, but don't change anything, just do it.

I'd rather have fun than spend time complaining on a forum about every gameplay change.

I don't see how you complaining about other people complaining is any different. I've even seen you do this multiple times. For the record, having a different opinion is fine. Trying to silence others for having a different opinion is not. If you have nothing constructive to say, get out.

Good thread to compile the complaints, takes effort to do so appreciate it.

Been playing SAM since the start, even in 2.0 in my heart.

This was a straight massacre on my boy. Losing Kaiten was so pointless. It's not fun anymore. The job doesn't flow as well. The reasons for removing it were bad. The reasons to try and balance around its removal was bad.

Kaiten was one of the more visually spectacular yet paradoxically low key skill we had, and the animation vs global cooldown timings made it flow to a degree of art.

It was the build up to the climax of our big hits; the drop before the bass; the lead up to the musical crescendo.

To heap on to removing a wonderful skill that is as core to SAM identity as Midare, they also destroyed the other big adrenaline boosting factor, the other main identity of SAM, which are the large single numbers.

Nobody asked for this. Samurai did not need this. If reducing actions was all that was needed, there were several other routes to take.

Shoha could have been upgraded to Shoha II, by having single target with % falloff mathed in like the rest of similar abilities -- including Guren! -- or Tsubame could have been rolled into Iaijutsu just like Ogi Namikiri and Kaeshi: Namikiri work together.

There was no reason to destroy Samurai identity. This is not a mid-expansion patch change, and this is also an incomplete change. To remove Kaiten and have a good flowing SAM would require a more thought out rework, and those should happen for the launch of an expansion or with special focus paid on the job like before.

Samurai was in a very good state in terms of its gameplay. It wasn't as good as it was in Stormblood, but it was better than it was in Shadowbringers.

Now it's like the development team is trying to take what didn't work from Stormblood and what didn't work from Shadowbringers and add an extra layer to what doesn't work by removing Kaiten.

At this point, my entire character identity has been built around Samurai. I am not a meta chaser. I have played it through the good times and the bad times. I can't make myself play other jobs, even though I try. They don't appeal to me, and I don't see myself playing them for any length of time. Worse still, I no longer even have the motivation to push forward and do the ultimate I was waiting for.

But the problem is, now my character identity has been harshly murdered, I do not find it flows well and I actively called this when I saw the changes because I had memed this very scenario over the years on dummies. Congratulations SE; this is the first time in years I am considering not paying my sub, even though my house has kept me here during downtimes. This feels like when Blizzard destroyed my classes many times and told me to hit the road.

I hit that road, and I haven't been back in years.

DPS when Healers and Tanks make multiple thread : please stick to one thread,dont clog up the forum, just make a mega thread
also DPS players :

Originally Posted by Duskane

DPS when Healers and Tanks make multiple thread : please stick to one thread,dont clog up the forum, just make a mega thread
also DPS players :

It's a creative solution, I admit.

Originally Posted by Duskane

DPS when Healers and Tanks make multiple thread : please stick to one thread,dont clog up the forum, just make a mega thread
also DPS players :

Players that like to encompass the entire DPS community under an umbrella to further their point that all of them are just out to get you.

How has making one thread helped you?

Note, I don't care what threads anyone makes. I don't even use these forums. This is bad enough to make me for the first time in more than 5 years I think. Do whatever it takes if Square Enix makes strides to ruin your class's identity. They're not going to listen anyway. They never do anymore.

Originally Posted by Naoki34

It's funny that just because you take away a skill, people think it was important to look skilled.
It's a smoothing of gameplay nothing more, but don't change anything, just do it.
I'd rather have fun than spend time complaining on a forum about every gameplay change.

There are multiple quotes, posts, threads from Samurai mains who enjoy Samurai for multiple reasons. Looking Skilled? is barely a reason that ever got put up. Aesthetics is a reason yes. And this is part of the Fun that got stolen for no good reason. Many don't even want to play SAM and rerolling some even quitting. Quite dismissive of a post.

Originally Posted by CelestiCer

There are multiple quotes, posts, threads from Samurai mains who enjoy Samurai for multiple reasons. Looking Skilled? is barely a reason that ever got put up. Aesthetics is a reason yes. And this is part of the Fun that got stolen for no good reason. Many don't even want to play SAM and rerolling some even quitting. Quite dismissive of a post.

I agree that the fun/feel of Samurai is lacking now. This is why I don't play healers (boring spam, please fix SE). We have plenty of simple jobs, why can't we have a few complex ones? Kaiten needs to return or be replaced with something.
Leveling Reaper now. Seems to have good flow so far.