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    Quote Originally Posted by AsiTsurugi View Post
    This right here. Ignoring proven wastes of effort is a virtue, and I urge all of you to practice it, for your own sanity.
    But engaging them bumps the threads they don't want to see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kazimere View Post
    Cope harder. Don't see it happening. It's not a problem. I think it's hilarious that you can't get over it. Every argument in favor of Kaiten coming back centers around "feel." Feelings are subjective.
    Subjectivity matters when the idea is to have fun.

    If it doesn't feel fun, why play that specific thing? So we're asking for it back. Simple as that. But please, keep bumping the thread, it helps the algorithm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kazimere View Post
    You're job wasn't neutered. Come off it already.
    The job that was all about huge burst doesn't burst huge anymore. It does flat consistent damage like a different job that already existed. I'd say that's a form of neutering, too.

    Apologies for the multiple replies, though. I don't know how people insert multiple posts in these replies.

    But yeah, SAM has been made to act similarly to MNK now instead doing big burst damage like it always has. We want the job to play like it was meant to. That was it's identity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xAFROx View Post
    The job that was all about huge burst doesn't burst huge anymore. It does flat consistent damage like a different job that already existed. I'd say that's a form of neutering, too.

    Apologies for the multiple replies, though. I don't know how people insert multiple posts in these replies.

    But yeah, SAM has been made to act similarly to MNK now instead doing big burst damage like it always has. We want the job to play like it was meant to. That was it's identity.
    Because feelings are subjective. I've said this so many times. Kaiten was a boring ability and all it did was provide flare. This is evident by the only thing the Samurai community as a whole is able to do in defense of the ability is to screech incessantly in hopes that the developers cave to their demands. Children do that, and it is obnoxious. The Samurai community deserves every bit of trolling it receives regarding this, because you are whining about not being able to twirl your sword anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kazimere View Post
    Because feelings are subjective... Kaiten was a boring ability and all it did was provide flare[sic].
    The lack of self-awareness is truly astounding isn't it? In the same line as well It's okay, please tell us how you feel about others feeling things. Surely that will prove that you are objectively correct lol

    Maybe you want to run your posts by a spell-checker, or even consult a simple dictionary to maybe not use unrelated words and demonstrate your inability to communicate in English.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AsiTsurugi View Post
    Maybe you want to run your posts by a spell-checker, or even consult a simple dictionary to maybe not use unrelated words and demonstrate your inability to communicate in English.
    Samurai are just mad because only black mages have flare now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AsiTsurugi View Post
    The lack of self-awareness is truly astounding isn't it? In the same line as well It's okay, please tell us how you feel about others feeling things. Surely that will prove that you are objectively correct lol

    Maybe you want to run your posts by a spell-checker, or even consult a simple dictionary to maybe not use unrelated words and demonstrate your inability to communicate in English.
    Yeah, I don't need you telling me how to convey a message. I got me covered. I'm fully aware that my opinion on Kaiten being boring is subjective. It's typical of your ilk though. Instead of debating the substance of everything else I said, you attempt to label me as some hypocrite. Finally, you try to insult my intelligence, while at the same time having a post littered with grammatical errors. You're screeching like a child, and then lashing out like one when called out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kazimere View Post
    Instead of debating the substance of everything else I said, you attempt to label me as some hypocrite.
    What substance?

    You claimed that Kaiten was boring - subjective - fine.

    You claimed that Kaiten only provided flare.

    Quote Originally Posted by cjbeagle View Post
    Yes, and since you're apparently too lazy to read the threads, I'll summarize it for you in this one:

    - Without Kaiten, kenki management is no longer necessary at all, which dumbs-down the gameplay.
    - Without Kaiten, the choice of how to spend kenki no longer exists, which dumbs-down the gameplay.
    - Without Kaiten, the choice of when to spend kenki no longer matters, which dumbs-down the gameplay.
    - Without Kaiten, Iaijutsu and Ogi Namikiri hit for drastically less than they used to, which makes the job's entire kit feel flat and unsatisfying, and also makes burst windows far less important, which dumbs-down the gameplay.

    Also, many players care about the animation and/or audio flourish that Kaiten provided to herald an incoming massive hit - more of a nuanced point, but worth noting.
    Also, though many players would probably not notice it consciously, the RDM style action-action-wait- that Kaiten + Iaijutsu [cast] is/was important to feel - again, more of a nuanced point, but worth noting.
    That's from this same thread, although such points have been made several if not dozens of times by now. Your claim has already been addressed ad nauseum - no need for further debate, you just needed to read the thread.

    You claimed that the samurai community hasn't been able to defend their wishes for Kaiten to be reinstated and merely screech incessantly - our rationale for wanting it back has been articulated many, many times by now - again, you just didn't read the threads.
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    Last edited by cjbeagle; 05-25-2022 at 04:01 AM.

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    I do appreciate this thread being bumped, especially by [looks at profiles] a player who only has one level 90 and it's RPR (Kazimere) and a player who admits to only playing SAM in pvp (Venico).

    You two are hilarious =D

    I honestly just want the change reverted to see your reaction at this point. Likely something like the NPC crying meme, "nooo you can't give players what they want!" ;D
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    Quote Originally Posted by xAFROx View Post
    Subjectivity matters when the idea is to have fun.

    If it doesn't feel fun, why play that specific thing? So we're asking for it back. Simple as that. But please, keep bumping the thread, it helps the algorithm.
    On the contray more glad the stubborn SAM’s unrelenting to let go are displaying their characteristics of being mediocre & unruly with this non ending crusade.

    This greatly fired back at the OP & please keep igniting the flames on.

    After all, you lot “neutered” yourselves
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